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From: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
To: coff@tuhs.org
Cc: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: [COFF] Terminology query - 'system process'?
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 16:48:05 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231214214805.81B2618C08F@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> (raw)

So Lars Brinkhoff and I were chatting about daemons:

  https://gunkies.org/wiki/Talk:Daemon

and I pointed out that in addition to 'standard' daemons (e.g. the printer
spooler daemon, email daemon, etc, etc) there are some other things that are
daemon-like, but are fundamentally different in major ways (explained later
below). I dubbed them 'system processes', but I'm wondering if ayone knows if
there is a standard term for them? (Or, failing that, if they have a
suggestion for a better name?)


Early UNIX is one of the first systems to have one (process 0, the "scheduling (swapping)
process"), but the CACM "The UNIX Time-Sharing System" paper:

  https://people.eecs.berkeley.edu/~brewer/cs262/unix.pdf

doesn't even mention it, so no guidance there. Berkeley UNIX also has one,
mentioned in "Design and Implementation of the Berkeley Virtual Memory
Extensions to the UNIX Operating System":

  http://roguelife.org/~fujita/COOKIES/HISTORY/3BSD/design.pdf

where it is called the "pageout daemon".("During system initialization, just
before the init process is created, the bootstrapping code creates process 2
which is known as the pageout daemon. It is this process that .. writ[es]
back modified pages. The process leaves its normal dormant state upon being
waken up due to the memory free list size dropping below an upper
threshold.") However, I think there are good reasons to dis-favour the term
'daemon' for them.


For one thing, typical daemons look (to the kernel) just like 'normal'
processes: their object code is kept in a file, and is loaded into the
daemon's process when it starts, using the same mechanism that 'normal'
processes use for loading their code; daemons are often started long after
the kernel itself is started, and there is usually not a special mechanism in
the kernel to start daemons (on early UNIXes, /etc/rc is run by the 'init'
process, not the kernel); daemons interact with the kernel through system
calls, just like 'ordinary' processes; the daemon's process runs in 'user'
CPU mode (using the same standard memory mapping mechanisms, just like
blah-blah).

'System processes' do none of these things: their object code is linked into
the monolithic kernel, and is thus loaded by the bootstrap; the kernel
contains special provision for starting the system process, which start as
the kernel is starting; they don't do system calls, just call kernel routines
directly; they run in kernel mode, using the same memory mapping as the
kernel itself; etc, etc.

Another important point is that system processes are highly intertwined with
the operation of the kernel; without the system process(es) operating
correctly, the operation of the system will quickly grind to a halt. The loss
of ordinary' daemons is usually not fatal; if the email daemon dies, the
system will keep running indefinitely. Not so, for the swapping process, or
the pageout daemon


Anyway, is there a standard term for these things? If not, a better name than
'system process'?

	Noel

             reply	other threads:[~2023-12-14 21:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-14 21:48 Noel Chiappa [this message]
2023-12-14 22:06 ` [COFF] " Bakul Shah
2023-12-14 22:12   ` Warner Losh
2023-12-14 22:09 ` Clem Cole
2023-12-15 14:20   ` Dan Cross
2023-12-15 16:25     ` Warner Losh
2023-12-15 17:13     ` Bakul Shah
2023-12-15  6:24 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-12-15 18:30   ` Stuff Received

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