From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 11665 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2023 09:40:01 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Sep 2023 09:40:01 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D5E40B5D; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 19:39:55 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1695980395; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=gcD9Uf1b4wayWRE7BeWxVLdNW+zX7MzdRa3uvsQX34M=; b=48HrLgcXO8wNy/wBxOAZ1nLE3LL0v88Dvnieg8zNd4n1vGRuZP2HwUTntIRTpx4O9aCaBK PMr9OxU0zS1UIeyvorB6P0JvgCGX0dW7XRPG1rGuUAsdIgPE1PK8OF+mBhpcgKNvFCYxlz YIx4PSBueIIb7Xe/lh/ttgoP381qf5w= Received: from qs51p00im-qukt01080501.me.com (qs51p00im-qukt01080501.me.com [17.57.155.22]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8695140AE0 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 19:39:51 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mac.com; s=1a1hai; t=1695980390; bh=gcD9Uf1b4wayWRE7BeWxVLdNW+zX7MzdRa3uvsQX34M=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date:Message-Id:To; b=jci4WMJsO+JzzjAA5NHt9J7gsAZQkVsO2WDJDxaahp6nYXVMA80xGg4Cssb6Y53/m boL7drA5Hf03Mw55HMh+ZBWFPj9/7DJy1+3ll+dtLm3CHY0L6cDs6RAQLLbjtkaiXf 1HVqAgZ3HKc7l0/0xDEtkeHJrotyytfmFX1Jw2fhsxz902d4rlGemJnfoLXuv62DLa 7IpvQC/qMs70lJjIU6mo2OKyFonYYdTzW2cdX2jjsJ259j8YQHiYG2md+qy8MxrxM9 w+V+g5P88wfBajujJAneGD69JhvQEduxq4SK5i02PHWE9DTsJI1gI5w0v8l1ipRYvU 0wRhLSlXr4O1w== Received: from smtpclient.apple (qs51p00im-dlb-asmtp-mailmevip.me.com [17.57.155.28]) by qs51p00im-qukt01080501.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 768A51980268; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 05:39:48 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: segaloco X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Proofpoint-GUID: _COAT7OeaKAzPXPVfl7lSHJ68WFArmla X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: _COAT7OeaKAzPXPVfl7lSHJ68WFArmla X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: =?UTF-8?Q?vendor=3Dfsecure_engine=3D1.1.170-22c6f66c430a71ce266a39bfe25bc?= =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.138,18.0.572,17.0.605.474.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2020-02-14=5F11:2020-02-14=5F02,2020-02-14=5F11,2020-01-23?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F02_signatures=3D0?= X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1011 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2212070000 definitions=main-2309290083 Message-ID-Hash: JV47ADFYWMSX4D2DSGHV2IEWGMOCOSXO X-Message-ID-Hash: JV47ADFYWMSX4D2DSGHV2IEWGMOCOSXO X-MailFrom: norwayjose@mac.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: COFF X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: Smokin' In the Terminal Room List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: Rod Bartlett via COFF Reply-To: Rod Bartlett X-Spam: Yes I worked as a field engineer on Honeywell mainframes in the late 1970s = and I regularly observed people smoking in terminal rooms. There wasn't = much in those old CRT terminals which could be damaged by smoke. Some = sites also allowed computer operators to smoke at the consoles or while = hanging tapes. The worst instance I saw was at a site which had an old = GE 635 mainframe. The onsite field engineer was a heavy smoker and used = the oscilloscope cart tray as an ashtray. That held many years worth of = evidence of indulgence near equipment. There were heavy duty air conditioners in those computer rooms which = kept the air moving and being filtered. It probably would have been = more damaging near minicomputers which often didn't require the constant = A/C. The disk drives also had large air filters which removed = particulates from the air while operating but there was always the = chance that smoke particles could enter while a disk pack was being = mounted. By the time I left the mainframe environment in the late 1980s, smoke = was much less common around equipment with most sites forcing smokers to = either go outside or to use designated smoking rooms. - Rod > On Sep 28, 2023, at 11:03 PM, segaloco via COFF wrote: >=20 > Subject doesn't roll off the tongue like the song, but hey, I got a = random thought today and I'd be interested in experiences. I get where = this could be a little...controversial, so no pressure to reply publicly = or at all. >=20 > Was it firmly held lore from the earliest days to keep the air as = clean as possible in computer rooms in the earlier decades of computing? = What has me asking is I've seen before photos from years past in R&D = and laboratory settings where whoever is being photographed is happy = dragging away on a cigarette (or...) whilst surrounded by all sorts of = tools, maybe chemicals, who knows. It was a simpler time, and = rightfully so those sorts of lax attitudes have diminished for the sake = of safety. Still I wonder, was the situation the same in computing as = photographic evidence has suggested it is in other such technical = settings? Did you ever have to deal with a smoked out server room that = *wasn't* because of thermal issues with the machinery? >=20 > I hope this question is fine by the way, it's very not tech focused = but I also have a lot of interest in the cultural shifts in our = communities over the years. Thanks as always folks for being a part of = one of the greatest stories still being told! >=20 > - Matt G.