From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 10011 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2023 22:58:04 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 12 Jun 2023 22:58:04 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5944424DD; Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:58:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-x934.google.com (mail-ua1-x934.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::934]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95D72424CC for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:57:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-x934.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-78a1e095508so168837241.0 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:57:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1686610671; x=1689202671; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=SPERZ8hKeD2VmjgwKx4efCetS/XwkQlRP2OS13+L/vk=; b=JWGF+WidH92gcDUb0e4XzYUUe4JowAzBfIKL+pk7T6FtZlcg4ebW0jn9NqJg7mJ4nU zQfLzu/f8PSIxmOAH4pwGTr8JbZP9zzaNkQ3MX4g6Kk9Cl8uruAHbo4PtKcJTBmY3evH mV56I8UxpSUu6iZXM0DXwDLrmmjBAOMWGjOx8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1686610671; x=1689202671; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=SPERZ8hKeD2VmjgwKx4efCetS/XwkQlRP2OS13+L/vk=; b=ivhiRPlf1zrlZ5ZZ8qVTf/IM+TmzylBonCituVEtIMyYvQmD/xVCFjhb3cxfW1sdCv rOenHkcX6QDM5m9KL+By7xDhHuoptiTI6djXH1+ug+owT5PYoWFDDHSUrh2pWV/MP9M+ npre5RqO156QmsBVYh6aAqjD4gCj2Box03D9frNmCW8VGLHZLZP9Naz83+/+Kt68FtEx ADJh3SEi7TEj1Mjj3H7fuCVJearTtDjGXTdm/wYODsL3dN19s09pu+bSKXIHe4edfWPw fAt5UHEPoGJcAmG92QW1WdRwsG3q77NeNHQZke+/jGP5NTNzHc+h2pz9aco4m39sFLkY avqA== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDxIRlPJh+AkS4ZP3R12j3efRk7oMO+30EdrGCMBkJkzgxMqI80J LryIpWESiO4GgChYe+U8ilviAr0YzSsk85v2YyQ1ZvU0kBwlZr9xfSY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ5BU7HKf68N1KMh48Ikk+xnobzKl3qCyhXoU6gIteMuk7Nc38e4X8QIJHIS3xRUMh/mbj/6ffKadAEuBSBBj08= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:4394:0:b0:45c:cc5a:ccda with SMTP id q142-20020a1f4394000000b0045ccc5accdamr4160391vka.6.1686610671305; Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:57:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230612213912.mywv5znz66pk3n5q@illithid> <20230612225013.ru6jfhv2tmjjftxn@illithid> In-Reply-To: <20230612225013.ru6jfhv2tmjjftxn@illithid> From: Clem Cole Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:57:25 -0400 Message-ID: To: "G. Branden Robinson" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f020d405fdf6a596" Message-ID-Hash: 7Y3Q7YPHNPN3Y6365GV77BUN7EXT66KJ X-Message-ID-Hash: 7Y3Q7YPHNPN3Y6365GV77BUN7EXT66KJ X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Computer Old Farts Followers X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Re: crt0 -- what's in that name? List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000f020d405fdf6a596 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fair enough =F0=9F=91=8D =E1=90=A7 On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 6:50=E2=80=AFPM G. Branden Robinson < g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Clem, > > At 2023-06-12T18:39:32-0400, Clem Cole wrote: > > Apologies to TUHS - other than please don't think Fortran did not > > impact UNIX and its peers. We owe that community our jobs, and for > > creating the market in that we all would build systems and eventually > > improve. > > Absolutely. Fortran (77) was the first language this weedhopper learned > after BASIC (which, while much despised by the sorts of people who > update jargon files, _also_ had early support in CSRC Unix). While I > intensely disliked the fixed-source format (a defect Fortran 90 > remedied), I acquired it more easily than C, to the relief of the guys > on my class project team who already knew C and _hated_ Fortran. > > My wisecrack was not meant as a derogation of Fortran in any way, but > rather as a sly (not really) allusion to a word also appearing in your > expansion of the COFF list's name as seen above... > > Best regards to you and to Fortran, and a nod to the copy of > Metcalf/Reid/Cohen on my bookshelf, > Branden > --000000000000f020d405fdf6a596 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 6:50=E2=80=AFPM G. Branden Robinson <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
Hi Cl= em,

At 2023-06-12T18:39:32-0400, Clem Cole wrote:
> Apologies to TUHS - other than please don't think Fortran did not<= br> > impact UNIX and its peers.=C2=A0 We owe that community our jobs, and f= or
> creating the market in that we all would build systems and eventually<= br> > improve.

Absolutely.=C2=A0 Fortran (77) was the first language this weedhopper learn= ed
after BASIC (which, while much despised by the sorts of people who
update jargon files, _also_ had early support in CSRC Unix).=C2=A0 While I<= br> intensely disliked the fixed-source format (a defect Fortran 90
remedied), I acquired it more easily than C, to the relief of the guys
on my class project team who already knew C and _hated_ Fortran.

My wisecrack was not meant as a derogation of Fortran in any way, but
rather as a sly (not really) allusion to a word also appearing in your
expansion of the COFF list's name as seen above...

Best regards to you and to Fortran, and a nod to the copy of
Metcalf/Reid/Cohen on my bookshelf,
Branden
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