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[107.215.223.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n21-20020aa79055000000b0068fde95aa93sm3544811pfo.135.2023.09.15.19.12.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Sep 2023 19:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) From: Bakul Shah In-Reply-To: <20230916010457.GE31896@mcvoy.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 19:11:54 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <202309132128.38DLSvEj026719@freefriends.org> <3963d4b9-a866-2e2f-d289-c4f261e1ca7e@mhorton.net> <202309150354.38F3sPjK015761@freefriends.org> <20230916010457.GE31896@mcvoy.com> To: Larry McVoy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) Message-ID-Hash: 63BY65UVJN2CPF6LBIOEYISPJ35TWWIB X-Message-ID-Hash: 63BY65UVJN2CPF6LBIOEYISPJ35TWWIB X-MailFrom: bakul@iitbombay.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Anthony Martin , COFF X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new? List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: People expressing their individuality/personality/opinons in their signature doesn't bother me. I hang out in this community because we do have much in common (computing wise) but it would be a boring world if every one was the same. Another reason is that many computer people are curious by nature and dive deep in more than one field and usually offer well thought out opinions. Kind of modern versions of the Renaissance men (regardless of their gender). Such people also tend to be more "far out" from the norm. They have a unique way of looking at the world is why they are innovators, artists, scientists etc. People who write a filesystem / applications / drivers / packages / windowing system are not interesting just because of what they produced but because they likely have so many more interesting sides to them! So I certainly want to know more about them (without being nosy). I don't have to agree with them on everything (or anything) but I can still respect them and do (unless they do/say things to lose that). So let us have more interesting discussions and not dwell on such things nor get bent out of shape by people expressing whatever they care about in their signature. > On Sep 15, 2023, at 6:04 PM, Larry McVoy wrote: >=20 > I think Mary Ann gets a bit of a pass because she is part of the Unix=20= > history. That said, I'm not a fan of people pushing their personal > issues into the commons. >=20 > It's a hard one, you want to support Mary Ann, and people like her, = but > it's also a bit much to have .signatures pushing their books. >=20 > I really don't know how to make a call on this, not that it is my = place > to do so, I'm just trying think it through. >=20 > Personally, I'd like things to stay more about Unix and COFF stuff and > less about personal stuff. Your personal business is your personal > business and I'm not a big fan of people making their personal = business > my business. But that might be just me. >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 04:28:17PM -0700, Anthony Martin wrote: >> Warren Toomey via TUHS once said: >>> The history of Unix is not just of the technology, but also of the >>> people involved, their successes and travails, and the communities >>> that they built. Mary Ann referenced a book about her life and >>> journey in her e-mail's .sig. She is a very important figure in the >>> history of Unix and I think her .sig is entirely relevant to TUHS. >>=20 >> Are you fine with everyone advertising whatever views >> and products they want in their signatures or would I >> have to be a very important figure? >>=20 >> If I want to say, for example, that the vast amount of >> software related to Unix that came out of Berkeley was >> so harmful it should have a retroactive Prop 65 label, >> would that be okay to have in my signature? >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Anthony >>=20 >> The vast amount of software related to Unix that came >> out of Berkeley was so harmful it should have a >> retroactive Prop 65 label. >>=20 >> [Quote from some person completely unrelated to Unix.] >>=20 >> [A link to buy my children's picture book about the >> tenuous connection between Unix and the NATO terror >> bombing of Yugoslavia, direct from Jeff Beelzebub's >> bookstore.] >>=20 >> End of signature. >>=20 >> Sorry Warren, I couldn't help myself. I was "triggered" >> just like Dan Cross, previously in that thread, who could >> not stay silent. >>=20 >> "Silence is violence, folx." >> - Sus of size (a.k.a. postmodernist Porky Pig) >>=20 >> Sent to COFF as Dan should have done. >=20 > --=20 > --- > Larry McVoy Retired to fishing = http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat