From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0C521383 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2024 17:41:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478EA428A2; Wed, 3 Apr 2024 01:41:29 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1712072489; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=ggTHAgaVHZsI/AgJT5yRnmAI48PfoUglTCIRbT/hK3E=; b=M2zZFjYe3ODBxw6IVzIKbMYsELVTncpewqfwYL77vdu5hwCQVI7y3d201Zn/b3KH5G0c3p seRKpjvKNwvqgO2tYLG3if4wIHvp3EIFp9U3ySlN0krmRGm9zit6UAKR5OmUl+Ywp18AA7 ecHzWVILt8oxC0S68zGR0dua3mzT3Hs= Received: from mail-4324.protonmail.ch (mail-4324.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.24]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 180C642691 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2024 01:41:24 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1712072481; x=1712331681; bh=ggTHAgaVHZsI/AgJT5yRnmAI48PfoUglTCIRbT/hK3E=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date: Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=fxml1HYoA9soFlJBe+JVUATxXVBchLv69ZeIqgTbs8hCjEXHEHOIPEJ+tQh6Ni1Me VScseT2hf9zqjXBsT7xot00ahk6WDACc8qVc+nVsZJwCue7W5H7MujYH+pZYbmrD/c YnHHsqr33ZzWtKy6DvDZMNkFZC1tbkw9Ygff9exdGncmd/CQszyUi0GOdQ41tKGIQb IuhIv/v/b2Ej45KJH/A8OsGMYIrjGZq/qoxnrjrv6xetmM04bFf4IpqAGbl/TFFXXi aPAUHkLp+0ICbP0Y0x19hbgeLl2K1vsmUkGqORj+k05dEk77yj4t0Ta7A+GlsvFenz lpL6FWkI8IDSQ== Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2024 15:41:17 +0000 To: COFF Message-ID: Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: 5F6FMKLNP3WBS3MLQBEXBFAJ7AOADORC X-Message-ID-Hash: 5F6FMKLNP3WBS3MLQBEXBFAJ7AOADORC X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Earliest COBOL Compilers List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via COFF Reply-To: segaloco Good morning, I was reading recently on the earliest days of COBOL and from= what I could gather, the picture (heh) regarding compilers looks something= like this: - RCA introduced the "Narrator" compiler for the 501[1] in November, 1960 (= although it had been demonstrated in August of that year) - Sperry Rand introduced a COBOL compiler running under the BOSS operating = system[2] sometime in late 1960 or early 1961 (according to Wikipedia which= then cites [3]). First, I had some trouble figuring out the loading environment on the RCA 5= 01, would this have been a "set the start address on the console, load card= s/PPT, and go" sort of setup, or was there an OS/monitor involved? And for the latter, there is a UNIVAC III COBOL Programmer's Guide (U-3389)= cited in [2] but thus far I haven't found this online. Does anyone know i= f COBOL was also on the UNIVAC II (or I) and/or if any distinct COBOL docum= ents from this era of UNIVAC survive anywhere? - Matt G. [1] - http://bitsavers.org/pdf/rca/501/RCA501_COBOL_Narrator_Dec60.pdf [2] - http://bitsavers.org/pdf/univac/univac3/U-3521_BOSS_III_Jan63.pdf [3] - Williams, Kathleen Broome (10 November 2012). Grace Hopper: Admiral o= f the Cyber Sea.