From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 19415 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2023 00:24:45 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Sep 2023 00:24:45 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63C040268; Sat, 16 Sep 2023 10:24:43 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1694823883; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=pjvgoSdPA32+Ujx7HcZoX5vLiGYnfKSK7GD1Vr0+7FA=; b=hWbGrx1QrUoDINlkG6o70botyHm80Cqflp2vyGyLW018T8UmJ6S6d1E88bX5kqgGaVYO5G nHVjgJanp6bxQuabwtYHkHHd5OFc0/yQ28mYxvn7MMIxplESrBWYo1wqfFmWlUkHZp6htv XNcUL2bC2N8k49TnYehBSrBwaJOuEbo= Received: from mail-4319.protonmail.ch (mail-4319.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.19]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B1ED40267 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2023 10:24:36 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1694823874; x=1695083074; bh=pjvgoSdPA32+Ujx7HcZoX5vLiGYnfKSK7GD1Vr0+7FA=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=kMgrJS/YeMxosTtFZgu3IcJsQ6Fk4kCS1OuC+7NjVxPh9RCQeT9L28TBI57G9PXKH vkn8GHhPsXn3DpqPKJDeXnMHzH8ltfWojd9Sv28acz+bckKNPVvARORtVG84UN4t+q Cl8KeUCWihM/5gzlnAhp/oQ1qla/pZRCqv3KatJN2Tq/VAvAn2j7ToxPUPc8SpsOZi dHo4OoGQknuiE3sscdzZ7UJ7MlCAh36OJEr06i9jxY9nqFVopUUmkqJFXpofAMniua Rv0uxu0BIQYkgAwgFZKxusf8oL3QHjRMNWZMgOBWq8W7btoUmiqAg0RzYTbDxPKN9r dE4osY5wRZ6xg== Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 00:24:27 +0000 To: Anthony Martin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <202309132128.38DLSvEj026719@freefriends.org> <3963d4b9-a866-2e2f-d289-c4f261e1ca7e@mhorton.net> <202309150354.38F3sPjK015761@freefriends.org> Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: DB4NUNPN2DXL7GLUFY6TAXWDDCO5RSA7 X-Message-ID-Hash: DB4NUNPN2DXL7GLUFY6TAXWDDCO5RSA7 X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: COFF X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Re: The AWK Programming Language, 2nd Ed.: What's new? List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via COFF Reply-To: segaloco X-Spam: Yes My two cents, anyone is free to express whatever views they want, just as t= hey are free to express opposition to whatever views they want. Of course,= there are lines one can cross and find themselves on the business end of a= ban from a mailing list, but at the same time, most folks who mean harm wi= ll peter themselves out when they don't get the attention they crave, or it= 'll become obvious that they stuck their foot in it and they'll try and cor= rect. The trick is figuring out the nuances of your audience and understan= ding what does and doesn't contribute value to discussion. Also, we all ha= ve the ability to communicate on or off list. I'm guilty of this myself wi= th Al Kossow in the past, and I own that, but airing a concern or conflict = via reply all is rarely helpful, this is a lesson I myself and still trying= to get better about. As for Mary Ann's sig, personally I'm always happy to see it when she posts= . I'm not very visibily NB but the part of me that wholly rejects the conc= ept of gender has always appreciated that working in and with technology ha= s presented countless folks more opportunity than ever to come out and be d= one with the closet. Life is multi faceted, go figure that kids like me th= at grow up exploring systems thinking and the like sometimes wind up reject= ing aspects of our broken social systems :) - Matt G. P.S. In keeping with the theme of my message, I'm personally not seeking de= bate on support for the trans community. If you take a page from my advice= and contact me directly in a combative sense just know you will be at the = least ignored, at the most, say something particularly toxic and I probably= won't be the only person to know you harbor those thoughts... ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, September 15th, 2023 at 4:28 PM, Anthony Martin wrote: > Warren Toomey via TUHS tuhs@tuhs.org once said: >=20 > > The history of Unix is not just of the technology, but also of the > > people involved, their successes and travails, and the communities > > that they built. Mary Ann referenced a book about her life and > > journey in her e-mail's .sig. She is a very important figure in the > > history of Unix and I think her .sig is entirely relevant to TUHS. >=20 >=20 > Are you fine with everyone advertising whatever views > and products they want in their signatures or would I > have to be a very important figure? >=20 > If I want to say, for example, that the vast amount of > software related to Unix that came out of Berkeley was > so harmful it should have a retroactive Prop 65 label, > would that be okay to have in my signature? >=20 > Cheers, > Anthony >=20 > The vast amount of software related to Unix that came > out of Berkeley was so harmful it should have a > retroactive Prop 65 label. >=20 > [Quote from some person completely unrelated to Unix.] >=20 > [A link to buy my children's picture book about the > tenuous connection between Unix and the NATO terror > bombing of Yugoslavia, direct from Jeff Beelzebub's > bookstore.] >=20 > End of signature. >=20 > Sorry Warren, I couldn't help myself. I was "triggered" > just like Dan Cross, previously in that thread, who could > not stay silent. >=20 > "Silence is violence, folx." > - Sus of size (a.k.a. postmodernist Porky Pig) >=20 > Sent to COFF as Dan should have done.