From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7784A24FCB for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:08:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5277B415D9; Sun, 25 Feb 2024 00:08:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from anduin.eldar.org (anduin.eldar.org [IPv6:2001:470:c620:0:280:c8ff:fef8:70bc]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36FC540BF8 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2024 00:08:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from anduin.eldar.org (IDENT:brad@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by anduin.eldar.org (8.16.1/8.13.8) with ESMTPS id 41OE8EEa013306 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 24 Feb 2024 09:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from brad@localhost) by anduin.eldar.org (8.16.1/8.13.8/Submit) id 41OE8EgC020667; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 09:08:14 -0500 (EST) From: Brad Spencer To: Andrew Warkentin In-Reply-To: (message from Andrew Warkentin on Sat, 24 Feb 2024 04:15:55 -0700) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2024 09:08:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (anduin.eldar.org [0.0.0.0]); Sat, 24 Feb 2024 09:08:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID-Hash: 7JHVXSRPQPJ4CMXYRRW7VEY7LXSKZEIO X-Message-ID-Hash: 7JHVXSRPQPJ4CMXYRRW7VEY7LXSKZEIO X-MailFrom: brad@anduin.eldar.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: coff@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: Archived A Couple 5ESS Training Programs List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Andrew Warkentin writes: > On 2/20/24, segaloco via COFF wrote: >> >> In any case, the simulator interests me greatly. I intend >> to do a little digging around in it as time goes on to see >> if there may be traces of 3B20 emulation or DMERT in the >> guts. I'm not holding my breath, but who knows. Either way, >> it'll be interesting to play with. Thus far I've only >> verified the simulator launches, but have done nothing >> with it yet. > > I've installed the simulator and it doesn't appear to be based on any > kind of 3B20 emulation (unlike the emulator used on the VCDX's > administrative module). It's mostly a collection of DLLs and what > appear to be some kind of table files. I guess it could be a port of > the actual 5ESS UI code to Windows, but I'm not quite sure of that. I am not familiar with this particular simulator, but it could simply be a program or program set that was made to look like the 5E without anything from the actual 5E being involved. I was involved a bit with simulating switch responses for the OSS system I worked on at AT&T/Lucent and that was done mostly with either stand alone programs which simply responded minimally like the caller expected or later with a simulation engine that a coworker wrote that could be programmed to respond in a more complete and configurable manor than the stand lones could do. We never used any of the actual switch code to do any of this, just used what the documentation said would be the call and then generated a response. As far as I know these simulators never left our group. I also wrote for, my own purposes, a simulator that simulated the backend of the OSS system I worked on so that I could point an instance of the web / HTML based UI I was writing for said system without having to actually have a backend system present and do development. In fact, much of my own development on the Web UI for that OSS system was done in the simulated environment first. I would not be suprised that the training group came up with a way to simulate the 5E UI based just on the inputs and outputs. -- Brad Spencer - brad@anduin.eldar.org