From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.7 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, FROM_SUSPICIOUS_NTLD,PDS_OTHER_BAD_TLD,T_TVD_MIME_EPI autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 4207 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2021 16:53:55 -0000 Received: from bsd.lv (HELO mandoc.bsd.lv) (66.111.2.12) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Sep 2021 16:53:55 -0000 Received: from fantadrom.bsd.lv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mandoc.bsd.lv (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f03a03e8 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2021 11:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarta.nabijaczleweli.xyz (139-28-40-42.artus.net.pl [139.28.40.42]) by mandoc.bsd.lv (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 56757539 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2021 11:53:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarta.nabijaczleweli.xyz (unknown [192.168.1.250]) by tarta.nabijaczleweli.xyz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B2017360272; Wed, 1 Sep 2021 18:53:50 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nabijaczleweli.xyz; s=202006; t=1630515230; bh=wdjpZ68qwBpHSbbWs937nZQ6U/oXcatPrcvJ8CmTLFo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=pjMsAERvElYbT8SJiOrZfRLsDVkfivfuuUw3LIb2lrUvHk6x1Vw2X6I6ScLvrmT46 9xUteXlKLeui5znDwxMlDHLwmPEfT+Se2U+jhXuRXE45ZxUC2bZncIOc/zlD2CnjvP uNxi+xK3LbuUT5ZcK+PGxItsLZ8aqZ20RaFzDF/ZgMrNUlvP+KoSXVkG92hanVewP0 bkMt0WnHOQ/bbmtRfGR3MKecr6PzFeOZD7FKKAauPjkCQ4MZ6LCyByR3m2Q8728p/V I7gPdo8bfHz966eX0pxyNjwQhF11B2bqHpgojgWXI/HCVMBeq4hpkcCRfvpclSD2Ms PeRdjI2cWLO8g== Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 18:53:49 +0200 From: =?utf-8?B?0L3QsNCx?= To: Ingo Schwarze Cc: tech@mandoc.bsd.lv Subject: Re: Should .At 32v rather be [AT&T] UNIX/32V rather than Version 32 AT&T UNIX? Message-ID: <20210901165349.f6y5g2kocju3zims@tarta.nabijaczleweli.xyz> References: <20210818184652.gp3apndkyoa2m3kc@tarta.nabijaczleweli.xyz> <8F26DC01-86AD-420E-B6E2-658C53B0F5C7@alum.mit.edu> <20210819115447.sxizpgfuioltpnuj@tarta.nabijaczleweli.xyz> <20210819151301.GB56790@athene.usta.de> X-Mailinglist: mandoc-tech Reply-To: tech@mandoc.bsd.lv MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ztfiqvlooujumqr4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210819151301.GB56790@athene.usta.de> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20210205 --ztfiqvlooujumqr4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 05:13:01PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Using "AT&T UNIX/32V" would seem like an improvement to me because it > makes clear that "32V" is not a version number. >=20 > Then again, i think printing "Version 7 AT&T UNIX/32V" might be even bett= er > because some people may not know that 32v is just a port of v7, and it is > not that much longer. >=20 > You might worry that the "32V" is easy to overlook in "Version 7 > AT&T UNIX/32V". But i would argue that manual pages need to be > read attentively in general. Small differences in wording are often > crucial, and if a hasty reader misses this particular detail, that's > unlikely to have dire consequences. I wouldn't strictly go so far as to say that Version 7 AT&T UNIX/32V is /better/, per se, since the important distinguishing factor is slightly short as compared to the rest of the string and common usage favours implying the Version 7, but then it /is/ at a, quite prominent, end, and is also correct. Either's perfectly fine by me. > The way to make this change is to open a feature request at > https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?group=3Dgroff > unless somebody has already done that, post a message to > mentioning that ticket and briefly summarizing the rationale, > ideally also including the patch at the end to ease review. > Once that is pushed to the groff git, i will make sure mandoc follows. Great, thanks for the run-down! > Nab wrote on Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 01:54:47PM +0200: > > But the end-goal is to be correct, which I believe the current string > > is not, and I'm inclined to believe that it was a throwaway decision > I believe Cynthia Livingston did not usually make "throwaway decisions". I primarily meant "not giving much thought to something relatively inconsequential". Much like I thought my phrasing was. > > nobody remembers > Cynthia added it in this commit: >=20 > s 00128/00026/00064 > d D 5.3 91/04/20 02:36:13 cael 5 3 > c register usage changes, reorg .St macro >=20 > .\" Ns At macro - AT&T UNIX > .de At > .nr cF \\n(.f > .nr cZ \\n(.s > .ds aa \&\f\\n(cF\s\\n(cZ > .if \\n(.$=3D=3D2 \{\ > . if "\\$1"32v" \&Version 32V \\*(tNAT&T UNIX\\*(aa\\$2 > . if "\\$1"v6" \&Version 6 \\*(tNAT&T UNIX\\*(aa\\$2 > . if "\\$1"v7" \&Version 7 \\*(tNAT&T UNIX\\*(aa\\$2 > . if "\\$1"V" \&\\*(tNAT&T\\*(aa System V \\*(tNUNIX\\*(aa\\$2 > . if "\\$1"V.1" \&\\*(tNAT&T\\*(aa System V.1 \\*(tNUNIX\\*(aa\\$2 > .\} > .if \\n(.$=3D=3D1 \{\ > . if "\\$1"32v" \&Version 32V \\*(tNAT&T UNIX\\*(aa > . if "\\$1"v6" \&Version 6 \\*(tNAT&T UNIX\\*(aa > . if "\\$1"v7" \&Version 7 \\*(tNAT&T UNIX\\*(aa > . if "\\$1"V" \&\\*(tNAT&T\\*(aa System V \\*(tNUNIX\\*(aa > . if "\\$1"V.1" \&\\*(tNAT&T\\*(aa System V.1 \\*(tNUNIX\\*(aa > .\} > .. >=20 > Did you ask her whether she remembers why she chose these particular > words? She is alive for all i know, and was well last time i > exchanged mail with her. Then again, maybe this is not really > important enough to bother her. I, uh, haven't, if only because I didn't know the SCCS histories were still available! I had been under the false impression that CSRG CD#3 was The CSRG CD. But, no, I don't believe this is important enough, or that, whatever the reasoning, the final answer to this will change. > If the wording can be improved, it can be changed. >=20 > Yours, > Ingo Oh, and by the by: does your mutt config somehow latinise your mail, or? 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