Hi, Laurent Bercot schrob: > - My opinion is that the most sustainable path forward, for runit > users who need a centrally maintained supervision software suite, is to > just switch to s6 - and it comes with several other benefits as well. As a relatively new convert to supervision software, my reasons for preferring runit over s6 are, in order of priority: 1) Debian ships with a working and maintained runit-init package. It provides pid 1 and hooks into /etc/rcS.d/* to integrate with other Debian packages. s6-linux-init and s6-rc are not packaged in Debian. 2) runit has manpages. s6 has HTML. :( 3) s6 executables are somehow worse named than runit's. This may be highly subjective, but I can recall and recognize the runit commands far easier than the s6 ones. Possibly it's the "s6-" prefix getting in the way of my brain pattern matching on visual appearance of glyph sequences. This point is exacerbated by #2 and the number of s6 executables. Compare chpst with s6-envdir s6-envuidgid s6-fghack s6-setsid s6-setuidgid s6-applyuidgid s6-softlimit. Yes, I know about the historical reasons, but still. 4) s6 seems more complex (hello execline!), and I don't (yet?) see any benefit/feature I'd appreciate except minimizing wakeups. OTOH, an active and responsive upstream is obviously a big plus for s6. > - But again, I'm not impartial, and alternatives are a good thing. > So no matter what individual decisions are made, it would definitely be > a net positive if the exact state and workflow of runit could be > clarified, and if a real development/maintenance structure was in place. Agreed. Brainstorming possible ways forward: A) Gerrit Pape becomes more active in maintianing runit, at least acknowledging patches posted here. B) Somebody else steps in as (co-)maintainer. C) We get a dumping ground (wiki or somesuch) for patches to allow - contributors to publish their patches (after discussing them here) - users to easily find and download patches they'd be interested in - Gerrit Pape to review and apply patches at his leisure when he feels like making a new release. D) The maintainers of distros shipping runit work out a patch-sharing scheme among them. Just my 0.02€, I hope it helps. cheers, Jan