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[173.63.241.243]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id pi13-20020a0562144a8d00b0068f9fd1d688sm9250273qvb.21.2024.03.07.17.15.44 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 07 Mar 2024 17:15:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from prodp20z.jrabramson.org (prodp20z.jrabramson.org [192.168.100.24]) by mail.jrabramson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C298980A898; Thu, 7 Mar 2024 20:15:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <789486d8dae3335166640461f7885bf9cf6043cf.camel@gmail.com> From: "Jeffry R. Abramson" To: Ben Kallus Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2024 20:15:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: <9eb334edeb7568193000f8755704af7799169b17.camel@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-sM2OeErbIO46SrtpOxkP" User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID-Hash: D2VR4CFH56F4TK5KHQYN5RJ7QCVDZTWT X-Message-ID-Hash: D2VR4CFH56F4TK5KHQYN5RJ7QCVDZTWT X-MailFrom: jeffryrabramson@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: "tuhs@tuhs.org" X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jeffryrabramson@gmail.com Subject: [TUHS] Re: What do you currently use for your primary OS at home? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --=-sM2OeErbIO46SrtpOxkP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2024-03-07 at 13:08 +0000, Ben Kallus wrote: > What about Linux is too bloated, in your opinion? Is it the kernel > itself, or the programs that often go with it? If it's the former, > OpenBSD may be a good choice. If it's the latter, I would look into a > minimal distribution (e.g. Alpine, Void, arguably Arch) paired with a > tiling window manager (e.g. Sway, dwm). >=20 > -Ben The bloated part? IMHO I would say systemd, pulseaudio, NetworkManager, KDE, GNOME, Cinnamon. =C2=A0Even though Cinnamon is the desktop I use. =C2= =A0My wife's laptop finally died ie. Windows got so crudded up with stuff that Outlook couldn't send mail and I just refused to try and fix it. =C2=A0I gave her my old PC with Debian and configured Cinnamon to look like Windows 7. =C2=A0All she does with it is web and email so all I really had to do was setup Firefox and Evolution and tell her it was Windows. As far as the kernel goes, I rebuilt the stock kernel that Debian uses just for kicks. =C2=A0It took 25 minutes on a 16-thread system with SSD storage, source tree plus build output occupies 26G, pretty bloaty. =C2=A0I just refreshed most of my infrastructure and in the process switched from xfs/LVM to ZFS so it may be time to make the switch back to FreeBSD if I retain enough muscle memory. Jeff --=-sM2OeErbIO46SrtpOxkP Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, 2024-03-07 at 13:08 +0000, Ben Kallus= wrote:
What about Linux is too bloate= d, in your opinion? Is it the kernel itself, or the programs that often go = with it? If it's the former, OpenBSD may be a good choice. If it's the latt= er, I would look into a minimal distribution (e.g. Alpine, Void, arguably A= rch) paired with a tiling window manager (e.g. Sway, dwm).

-Ben

The bloated part? IMHO I would say system= d, pulseaudio, NetworkManager, KDE, GNOME, Cinnamon.  Even though Cinn= amon is the desktop I use.  My wife's laptop finally died ie. Windows = got so crudded up with stuff that Outlook couldn't send mail and I just ref= used to try and fix it.  I gave her my old PC with Debian and configur= ed Cinnamon to look like Windows 7.  All she does with it is web and e= mail so all I really had to do was setup Firefox and Evolution and tell her= it was Windows.

As far as the kernel goes, I rebu= ilt the stock kernel that Debian uses just for kicks.  It took 25 minu= tes on a 16-thread system with SSD storage, source tree plus build output o= ccupies 26G, pretty bloaty.  I just refreshed most of my infrastructur= e and in the process switched from xfs/LVM to ZFS so it may be time to make= the switch back to FreeBSD if I retain enough muscle memory.
Jeff
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