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List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Michael Huff writes: > I thought most desktops (specifically Xfce, GNOME, KDE) required > Wayland and SystemD these days? Wouldn't that rule out *BSD? i'm not a user of any of those three myself, but as far as i'm aware, none of those three currently require Wayland. But GNOME is certainly pushing people towards use of Mutter (the GNOME Wayland compositor), while: > It is not clear yet which Xfce release will target a complete > Xfce Wayland transition (or if such a transition will happen at > all). Below is a list of larger tasks which would need to be > done in some way for such a transition to occur. -- https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap In terms of Wayland on *BSDs, there's active work being done to get the Wayland ecosystem working on OpenBSD: "Towards running a Wayland Compositor on OpenBSD" -- https://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2023-matthieu-wayland-openbsd.pdf The author of that talk, Matthieu Herrb, is an X dev: https://www.x.org/wiki/MatthieuHerrb/ Alexis.