From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.7 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,LOTS_OF_MONEY,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, MONEY_FREEMAIL_REPTO,MONEY_NOHTML,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A0F29EC1 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2024 17:51:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE089428C4; Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:51:02 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1710435063; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=Fvmj/256CRI3CvCPpb44kG4+vNfOCQxEk8PcTbLPy3M=; b=NyQT5kIqJtHZAbPQBzvmdfA5tlhty0a/tOEWPIZYsJzTfIVd1asW4b5sLceYGRFAPHuTKn HFpn8z3zFbOCti4NqIiiS7h3/abq+zRfE2pipXoe5wKap3FowJVwbxMc4V37NDZvO39j17 EShJhnIgufCQX7/kPs5PFHq1+ATmbf4= Received: from mail-40132.protonmail.ch (mail-40132.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.132]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C16E8428BA for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:50:55 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1710435053; x=1710694253; bh=Fvmj/256CRI3CvCPpb44kG4+vNfOCQxEk8PcTbLPy3M=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=dghppOyv3ozKXjO1232yULDfFyN5Ca0j9jUanTX2kwLFN5IXtTlYIXjyi9FgItlkN Jpsp4ST16o7rM/uOVx5kjlraYjP1TAuztEkXW3Z3nVf9DAtizU8VXSAXtF452BWEw9 MFgfBoJBVIrT8Tcj4hbuqOxkbZhf1ALaV1eoo2qKzmoQowzcWAjMav7DZLubWxKhV2 Ba9mr0SZjeXi0qf+0lv6zj3yy6kgkyWgnsj/OtNqoDwzmK6CtfvDNPOFCY6ZaLeRWr 8wE/bsQnzs62DgpE27sAdYnYpmoRxTlya9qmk/FZkCZFFTe9KkPWkfwNOer+sxyJMg MdcD+ADDQEAhQ== Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:50:46 +0000 To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <9oGrJHb6s-fL1f5PDMKtnl-JN1Rea-AeDxEgkFiqJgAWEt7v6WUauLschmaq0ESqCnyAXwepvx7DKq9W6u3VRb8J5I8GJF7VmIpl87cy3-A=@protonmail.com> Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: FSABGXNWWWAU56BFZSN2HXFB3HXZLURG X-Message-ID-Hash: FSABGXNWWWAU56BFZSN2HXFB3HXZLURG X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Is OpenText Corporation the Current System V Copyright Holder? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco On Thursday, March 14th, 2024 at 8:50 AM, Warner Losh wrot= e: >=20 >=20 > At the time, though I have no reference for it, Sun bought a paid-up lice= nse from AT&T and part of that purchase included the right to distribute th= e source code in the way they did. This was a special deal Sun cut with AT&= T. > > ... >=20 > I also found: >=20 > > So how is it Sun is permitted to open source Unix outright while IBM is= sued for more than US$5 billion in damages? Sun is mum on particulars, but= it has said it licensed additional rights in a 2003 deal in which it paid = SCO US$9.3 million. >=20 > at https://www.zdnet.com/article/sun-poised-to-take-open-source-solaris-s= tep/ dated in 2005. > That makes sense given the collaborative efforts between USL and Sun on SVR= 4 actually. On Thursday, March 14th, 2024 at 8:50 AM, Warner Losh wrot= e: > >=20 > The main problem with any of this is that all the companies that took Sys= tem V made changes to customize it for their hardware. > > ... > > Though much of the later work was done by third parties and consortia, so= even if AT&T successor in interest gave the nod, those other parties might= not have granted AT&T the right to do this. >=20 > Warner That's a good point, like many long-standing codebases, System V code is li= ttered with little "this is copyright this subcontractor, this is copyright= that contributor, etc." and big thorough license descriptions sitting at t= he top of source files weren't in vogue at the time so it offers confusion = over ownership with little paths to clarity. Maybe a happy middle ground w= ould be a 4.4BSD-Lite-ish approach to System V in which anything demonstrat= ed to be exact program text that is not out in the open in the form of Rese= arch or illumos code can be scrubbed from, say, SVR4, and that fragmentary = codebase could then fly under the research license or CDDL or what have you= . As you mention though, what company wants to devote their resources to a re= venue-less project like that? It'd be swell if some sort of publicly funde= d organization like the Library of Congress, Smithsonian Institution, or eq= uivalents in other locales could take up that mantle on this and other soft= ware preservation efforts. That's something I think about often in my retr= o video game disassembly work, it'd be nice to preserve these historically = significant applications and systems as a formal career rather than just ho= bby stuff. But right, where's the revenue stream to convince anyone to do = that, especially the legal hurdles involved? Lawyers ain't cheap... - Matt G.