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List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000037e0a306139abad7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 8:33=E2=80=AFPM segaloco via TUHS w= rote: Does this make OpenText the current copyright holders of the commercial > UNIX line from AT&T. > If they haven't sold (or given away) the rights. Copyright can only be abandoned by an explicit act of the owner, not by mere neglect. My understanding too is that Sun's release under the CDDL set the precedent > that other sub-licencees of System V codebases are also at liberty to > relicense their codebases, > Very unlikely (which is lawyerese for "Not a chance"). The terms of the AT&T master license to Sun aren't public knowledge, but it probably limited Sun to distributing Solaris 2.0+ in binary form (with the usual exceptions around contractors, etc.). To distribute Solaris in source form would require Sun to license the rights needed to do so from the copyright owner. It's not clear to me just who Sun licensed them from, thanks to the Novell-SCO dispute. At any rate, Sun got what they considered sufficient title for the Solaris 11 release under the CDDL But that would not allow any other licensee of AT&T or its successors in title to do the same thing without a separate license from the owner. Whatever the precise terms of the Sun-Novell license, it would grant rights to Sun and nobody else. If Acme Films licenses the right to make a movie of _Passionate Unix_, a book owned by Yoyodyne Publishing, then another movie licensee of Yoyodyne wouldn't get the rights, based on *their* movie license, to publish the original book. (In practice Acme would insist that Yoyodyne not license the movie rights to anyone else.) 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On We= d, Mar 13, 2024 at 8:33=E2=80=AFPM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote:

Does this make OpenText the current copyright holders of the commercial UN= IX line from AT&T.

If they haven't sold (or given away) the rights.=C2=A0 Copyright c= an only be abandoned by an explicit act of the owner, not by mere neglect.<= /div>

My understanding too is that Sun's release under the CD= DL set the precedent that other sub-licencees of System V codebases are als= o at liberty to relicense their codebases,=C2=A0

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Very unlikely (which is lawyerese for "= Not a chance").=C2=A0 The terms of the AT&T master license to Sun = aren't public knowledge, but it probably limited Sun to distributing So= laris 2.0+ in binary form (with the usual exceptions around contractors, et= c.).=C2=A0 To distribute Solaris in source form would=C2=A0require Sun to l= icense the=C2=A0rights needed to do so from the copyright owner.

It's not clear= to me just who Sun=C2=A0licensed them from, thanks to the Novell-SCO dispu= te.=C2=A0 At any rate, Sun got what they considered sufficient title for th= e Solaris 11 release under the CDDL=C2=A0 But that would not allow any othe= r licensee of AT&T or its successors in title to do the same thing with= out a separate license from the owner.=C2=A0 Whatever the precise terms of = the Sun-Novell license, it would grant rights to Sun and nobody else.
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If Acme Films= licenses the right to make a movie of _Passionate Unix_, a book owned by Y= oyodyne Publishing, then another movie licensee of Yoyodyne wouldn't ge= t the rights, based on *their* movie license, to publish the original book.= =C2=A0 (In practice Acme would insist that Yoyodyne not license the movie r= ights to anyone else.)

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