From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F6E42B885 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2024 22:57:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28EF4285A; Thu, 14 Mar 2024 07:57:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-x22b.google.com (mail-lj1-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22b]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8B4E42858 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2024 07:57:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-x22b.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2d27184197cso3443711fa.1 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:57:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1710367022; x=1710971822; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=95bOyAC/upwPdPdg4by/JXWA22ugtd0tF7xxP15ZcaI=; b=OHPN8Ruak6nVxqSE8xd/TEnqpq5qjoKvPbhr4Gsl6avTnPWlqLEQtuW8XIhvH6LDCx kMO9x96LsxavdmuklQYrvLVK6hlqGUgosebgZgGAnKkIv588xrwuTr+Tn4pjG+VoZ8L5 SLIrVT/xVtQMA1BCe+GUrDImqosE+Dmkp7xU4lFbIFrd5XynkLk1d6sXy+NGf/rsOU35 gkyazDIwLaeoVqS+ktkLdaZgMtpf1wpPhjJ7IcitWju47UDC/fnt1WDG+sST+bsrUmMa DhPki08H6bFmyoNMoT9tV1J/k29mmkS67C2RxcwjdSL7AMZSx2E+uoBkHR5PJ/ZRwivr EsUw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1710367022; x=1710971822; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=95bOyAC/upwPdPdg4by/JXWA22ugtd0tF7xxP15ZcaI=; b=goY+fcxQub9WGsoSqtceDOd9cwQe23EjYCW0GD++08eqYJT9HQGQrcJrqVXBU8NcxP GSBUUzTMmAdbDBD6wGBuqaq2+X6JcygaSuhoePPr5k/4Eg7UK024IJ9Xf/Jf9sk08E6V Rh7rCPPo/Pn/4jBwjgJkaV0pmNSqERA1QM9vF+iEN7n+RxSNJKa98dHcdclfKIU2Nng7 dkcW0aENYeNalGpL8+qwIz/ZpPm3smz2VtETiaj4AfvYV3RSG5Stgs/GhK8HmPspqIYz H11k0DAYtuh221nPhmtga5lebh+4F+ZbbmZq7OOckl65KFG3a/KO4cGFOpbHmH9DFLQV CanA== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCX+c+A+pQ7OysmvkmhC1pZJkK98rQht/B+HZvz4i2zA61LeQrmalm4IcJW2wwTur0hBlNrO1esf0t+SqEKf X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw0mNh0R3NFLoTIReI0Rw3rReCwn1oCNhrtzYLCJa/DEoxRNmFT 2CDuBaYEIdFByfwfCx0MMV23MUH4sZHia57Jj1MoxiU1Tuowpp/9MgSBd6a50A7yLPwTcKT3ZBc ECzr7GXrkzNF87Ugpj0fzvLlG1pk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IH8CO8++a3gyrZZ0MfWeZpCAKwqALhmM5VQIG/8AO6MjuEq0GmzkkGGGVix4lPMi4DONje9y2RJDi55HT43j8A= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:2242:0:b0:2d4:57c5:8862 with SMTP id i63-20020a2e2242000000b002d457c58862mr4173502lji.4.1710367021657; Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:57:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Henry Bent Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 17:56:49 -0400 Message-ID: To: earl@baugh.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c2f8a4061391da7e" Message-ID-Hash: GDU57NVH5VSZDDRSNXGEO3F62XKFGAQA X-Message-ID-Hash: GDU57NVH5VSZDDRSNXGEO3F62XKFGAQA X-MailFrom: henry.r.bent@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Will Senn , John Foust via TUHS X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: SunOS 4 in 2024 List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000c2f8a4061391da7e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TME - most recently https://osdn.net/projects/nme/ - in theory does what you want. Its setup and use is a bit idiosyncratic, and I have found that it is unhappy running on OSs other than NetBSD, but if you get it running it just works. I've used it to set up installations of SunOS 3 and 4 on sun2, sun3, and sun4 architectures. -Henry On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 at 17:49, wrote: > I=E2=80=99m looking for a =E2=80=9CSun OS 3.5=E2=80=9D emulation running = where I can attach a SCSI > emulator to it and get the full OS installed. > I=E2=80=99ve got tape images but I haven=E2=80=99t found the process to e= mulate how it > used to work. > > From the initial boot prompt, you extracted them to the =E2=80=9Cswap par= tition=E2=80=9D > and then started the install and it would prompt you for the next tape wh= en > needed. > So, I guess we=E2=80=99d need an emulated tape or something, etc. I ha= ve all > the tar=E2=80=99s (all the way back to Sun OS 1 or so) but have been frus= trated > trying to make some progress. > > Earl > > > On Mar 13, 2024, at 5:31 PM, Henry Bent wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 at 17:27, Will Senn wrote: > >> On 3/13/24 3:12 PM, Henry Bent wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I've been working quite a bit recently with SunOS 4 on a SPARCstation 5, >> seeing what I can coax out of it in terms of building and supporting a >> modern computing environment. I know that TUHS isn't really the right >> place for this, but can someone point me to somewhere that is? I've mad= e >> significant progress in some areas and spent a lot of cycles to get ther= e - >> for instance, I have GCC 3.4.6 up and running - so I'd like to contribut= e >> to a community if one exists. Is there a modern equivalent of sun-manag= ers? >> >> -Henry >> >> Not an answer to the question, but on a tangent... >> >> I recently saw that Solaris 11.4 SRU66 was released and had a yearning t= o >> see how things in Solaris land were doing (can't stand Gnome so >> OpenIndiana's a bust)... but with Oracle's Solaris, it's a mess at least >> for hobbyists (only get release patches, so I'm guessing the most up to >> date 'release' was 11.4 in 2018). So, when I saw your post on SunOS 4, I >> thought I'd tool around and see if it was easy to get rolling as a VM, >> turns out things have come a long way on that front: >> >> https://defcon.no/sysadm/playing-with-sunos-4-1-4-on-qemu/ >> >> OpenWindows 3... wow... works great on my Mint instance. Now, if I could >> just remember how commands work on SunOS :). >> > > Thanks Will! You may also be interested in > https://john-millikin.com/running-sunos-4-in-qemu-sparc as another > resource about running SunOS 4 in QEMU. I have considered moving my setu= p > to QEMU, especially as it would be very easy to create a hard drive image > since I am using a SCSI2SD board, but there is something about running > these things on the original hardware that is difficult to leave behind. > > -Henry > > > --000000000000c2f8a4061391da7e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
TME - most recently=C2=A0https://osdn.net/projects/nme/ - in theory does what you= want.=C2=A0 Its setup and use is a bit idiosyncratic, and I have found tha= t it is unhappy running on OSs other than NetBSD, but if you get it running= it just works.=C2=A0 I've used it to set up installations of SunOS 3 a= nd 4 on sun2, sun3, and sun4 architectures.

-Henry=

On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 at 17:49, <ear= l@baugh.org> wrote:
I=E2=80=99m looking fo= r a =E2=80=9CSun OS 3.5=E2=80=9D emulation running where I can attach a SCS= I emulator to it and get the full OS installed.
I=E2=80=99ve got tape i= mages but I haven=E2=80=99t found the process to emulate how it used to wor= k. =C2=A0=C2=A0

From the initial boot prompt, you = extracted them to the =E2=80=9Cswap partition=E2=80=9D and then started the= install and it would prompt you for the next tape when needed.
S= o, I guess we=E2=80=99d need an emulated tape or something, etc. =C2=A0 =C2= =A0I have all the tar=E2=80=99s (all the way back to Sun OS 1 or so) but ha= ve been frustrated trying to make some progress.

E= arl


On Mar= 13, 2024, at 5:31 PM, Henry Bent <henry.r.bent@gmail.com> wrote:

=
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 at 17:27= , Will Senn <wi= ll.senn@gmail.com> wrote:
On 3/13/24 3:12 PM= , Henry Bent wrote:
Hi all,

I've been working quite a bit recent= ly with SunOS 4 on a SPARCstation 5, seeing what I can coax out of it in te= rms of building and supporting a modern computing environment.=C2=A0 I know= that TUHS isn't really the right place for this, but can someone point= me to somewhere that is?=C2=A0 I've made significant progress in some = areas and spent a lot of cycles to get there - for instance, I have GCC 3.4= .6 up and running - so I'd like to contribute to a community if one exi= sts.=C2=A0 Is there a modern equivalent of sun-managers?

-Henry
Not an answer to the question, but on a tangent...

I rece= ntly saw that Solaris 11.4 SRU66 was released and had a yearning to see how= things in Solaris land were doing (can't stand Gnome so OpenIndiana= 9;s a bust)... but with Oracle's Solaris, it's a mess at least for = hobbyists (only get release patches, so I'm guessing the most up to dat= e 'release' was 11.4 in 2018). So, when I saw your post on SunOS 4,= I thought I'd tool around and see if it was easy to get rolling as a V= M, turns out things have come a long way on that front:

https://defcon.no/sysadm/playing-with-sunos-4-1-4-on-qemu/

Ope= nWindows 3... wow... works great on my Mint instance. Now, if I could just = remember how commands work on SunOS :).
<= br>
Thanks Will!=C2=A0 You may also be interested in=C2=A0https://john-millikin.com/running-sunos-4-in-qemu-sparc=C2=A0= as another resource about running SunOS 4 in QEMU.=C2=A0 I have cons= idered moving my setup to QEMU, especially as it would be very easy to crea= te a hard drive image since I am using a SCSI2SD board, but there is someth= ing about running these things on the original hardware that is difficult t= o leave behind.

-Henry

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