After rattling around in the back of a train car with nothing but my thoughts, I emerged and said: "systemd is a pox on our way of life" and then promptly rolled over and went back to sleep. -Henry On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 17:38, Larry McVoy wrote: > As I started reading it I found plenty to disagree with in the first few > paragraphs but they completely lost me at "After all, moving from System > V init scripts to systemd has arguably improvedthe Linux boot sequence." > > Um, no, just, no. > > > On Fri, Jul 02, 2021 at 03:24:20PM -0600, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > > In this week's BSDNow.tv podcast, available at > > > > https://www.bsdnow.tv/409 > > > > there is a story about a new conference paper on the Unix shell. The > > paper is available at > > > > Unix shell programming: the next 50 years > > HotOS '21: Workshop on Hot Topics in Operating Systems, Ann > > Arbor, Michigan, 1 June, 2021--3 June, 2021 > > https://doi.org/10.1145/3458336.3465294 > > > > The tone is overall negative, though they do say nice things about > > Doug McIlroy and Steve Johnson, and they offer ideas about > > improvements. > > > > List readers will have their own views of the paper. My own is that, > > despite its dark corners, the Bourne shell has served us > > extraordinarily well, and I have been writing in it daily for decades > > without being particularly bothered by the many issues raised by the > > paper's authors. Having dealt with so-called command shells on > > numerous other operating systems, at least the Unix shells rarely get > > in my way. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 > - > > - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 > - > > - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: > beebe@math.utah.edu - > > - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org > beebe@computer.org - > > - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > --- > Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com > http://www.mcvoy.com/lm >