From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F074726E79 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 13:28:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AE1416E0; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 22:28:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-x233.google.com (mail-lj1-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::233]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA7EB416D8 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 22:28:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-x233.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2d21cdbc85bso60915631fa.2 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 05:28:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1710764879; x=1711369679; darn=tuhs.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=xCExD4HfFFuhBGf/BwuzDmvdUS59gacKJSuAc8CCLsY=; b=KJbMrJS6umiN9UZiqE66bbyrQrcFeyYecrCETdYo23jxHt/1I1qNWWSnVta5afqDSd TlTwd/aWNOsCrayhibASlQgpJXpCBBwEzqvgjAuILR0tXSUYBjORlhKl4wtoywbtw8a7 WgCvq+i4HrwSKva4ATHdtmFSY7RFntlgiDzC97culViOsJCubrzRv7QtuePOkQ1zbIPK 5Uv3VaxFkTJ3yokmGpstnmuoJKxvQFxI1h0VO2zJtQTMsJN0B7U7AMp4TUJz6+sVhrnp kxlY6zmLZxhDJ0wRVkjYMiPlsGxtEkicOlk419nXYXggE5EsFSnWH5wt2IZl8MeG7LiM 63bw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1710764879; x=1711369679; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=xCExD4HfFFuhBGf/BwuzDmvdUS59gacKJSuAc8CCLsY=; b=j+IBG0llvj+huBS9Y22nfy8m4l1UWdWZ7HNC4fToXT9/NGXibg0WfMb4xt5YlH3Zws kURInodeS5o/sVEHhhWxcrm9cHF/uPRDSMTKFpxEP2T52xHKVmggIfXFvGfdiiO3J3wb JBG68HDGYsQ5vA7Oh9JXeewW7iUmeCWyn8YgvhGkyvBrOj6SK23eQC7OSxSFa2/MVFjH 9OXamVbC7rdZ9EzpNVpWiRiykTlRHMn2/7c4nEbgVgzLfRisISLvnGceIIdtF96J+/F4 KgigX8IsamA8KgzppgtFtnEXTVbRipLiMRjRjAhHVRdKeBtmqUr0j99zIE/09V5IRWzC fv/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yyy/o5CmdhnMjVC6TcF1TlszpWEzeNs7Rts0WREu1WUnAPHww6D eqDpFFLtdUFh/Orz3HV8U76ab0x8aeXp+eA53BbrNIogHkoopGl3luWONTnYqbvugeFk4vrpwQ2 YBCWPW9k05PDV4IR+1pV3RM3yfwYnAv3p X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEeg88exIuhHAjTOHrgJLRol5ahQ6Fu8C+/tIvlE8G7fHvLy7AvexFRsvVQdEEmW4k+lJkUtFZ1P+YkIzN9aXw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:221a:b0:2d2:31b0:4f64 with SMTP id y26-20020a05651c221a00b002d231b04f64mr8178533ljq.34.1710764878335; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 05:27:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dan Cross Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 08:27:21 -0400 Message-ID: To: Douglas McIlroy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: YDZUIXXDA53L23VLQEGWENXRL65XJCIC X-Message-ID-Hash: YDZUIXXDA53L23VLQEGWENXRL65XJCIC X-MailFrom: crossd@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS main list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: The Mark Williams Company and Coherent List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 5:24=E2=80=AFPM Douglas McIlroy wrote: > > > There was lawyerly concern about the code being stolen. > > Not always misplaced. There was a guy in Boston who sold Unix look-alike = programs. A quick look at the binary revealed perfect correlation with our = C source. Coincidentally, DEC had hired this person as a consultant in conn= ection with cross-licensing negotiations with AT&T. Socializing at the end = of a day's negotiations, our lawyer somehow managed to turn the conversati= on to software piracy. He discussed a case he was working on, and happened= to have some documents about it in his briefcase. He pulled out a page dis= assembled binary and a page of source code and showed them to the consultan= t. > > After a little study, the consultant confidently opined that the binary w= as obviously compiled from that source. "Would it surprise you," the lawyer= asked, "if I told you that this is yours and that is ours?" The consultant= did not attend the following day's meeting. Fantastic story, and talk about a true "Perry Mason" moment for the lawyer. I'm sure it was also fertile material for stories at cocktail parties for the rest of his days. - Dan C.