From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53992CFC8 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2024 14:43:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD7A43128; Fri, 15 Mar 2024 23:43:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-x236.google.com (mail-lj1-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::236]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4822E43117 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2024 23:43:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-x236.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2d288bac3caso26794481fa.2 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2024 06:43:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1710510225; x=1711115025; darn=tuhs.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=EOL3OdET73Dxctkh5i4DC5Ed1aV0aIu/9Il26DHwxEE=; b=RZk6rWmc2MveYQpoAow+G2vIJYJbBysb4WfOMhd9zNLsJkSYUjo81g0RosCvsvV7TE Up3coD3zf/TXfGi/6s3XRiAO2Ge5BnEnikgAMuQkpeN/qymKOTerrTQ1tiuKoapoSsNV hn6THeOiYUolxAX4zseP8Smuv3ZQoHQM2sLyuRiC4IKHp1tchNDRyBCWg/tk1HhEp0yH k0yOxAe3syFqRzOpAldrOYtbQyrIrLTpHzUjMdcRt+HiVITHTv5A2+Dcmc1cDU5PJ3Fu 1PJNvg+IffUGVWneVnT0SWuUol4Pb49NI1nUYO3CIknkEcycuMwZRKAalDp0o6yAfTKS vEkQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1710510225; x=1711115025; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=EOL3OdET73Dxctkh5i4DC5Ed1aV0aIu/9Il26DHwxEE=; b=q3ci1yooG85XIJCaEX1dbTL7/59elP2AyjayZUVvmMw95FD0Z7fHhMnq8CfaF4NtjH hl0UvtHVQuZ+LaWds0GdE91KdbvFDO52yty8InDKXbu4IKhD3a6i75Aod3SwaqMNj48J P70LkGqQJQzbSI5fkDiBIHwpak96ys5iIlW9PHxUFJat+qUVIw6W1hH1MeGMhQ1/QEVS D5dMMSXV1OnJ5Ki0z61/ZALKFDSuntzVj0EYmP/MyOUQXjlHoi46/S7iyCSvVOJWLWwy kSog58Qi0nFq3xcVxd7dt2T9gthYX7Qe/s+/LP+fV6aVnjXWGOKGRkX4iG9ECf/JNaHX V/lw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCV8fUTVRdhjKjS44jX1+/vrx8c7oyDtf22t21Vidw2je+Eb66rjc+DIb1Lt1i9APxS24eYHMKOzO3iSUdX1 X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yzj0mh4EApGaBw/2I3Ba+J1hiFEWEWbXnQsam6Gi9pVV8e2dQ+/ Bk4leiiVh/BshatygHVX4Eq1If+jVvQ6nXgbjeNFCEQqiRC+gCIlgyR/ih8tqkXDt1upO6O7xHG faK/pNYKMXVdTsjmDpWlvbFsZht0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFbxNOv0pOluTr06dkyaJP+ImQZ4OdYFAPbN2Kti+GKufBRikNulzVIrBZKtTrg1cDsm1nOAIQ1O6fXpRcUsAs= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8611:0:b0:2d4:5d44:fe1d with SMTP id a17-20020a2e8611000000b002d45d44fe1dmr3140869lji.52.1710510225243; Fri, 15 Mar 2024 06:43:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4999eb0b-e0e5-4a79-b14f-77d17995f454@osta.com> In-Reply-To: From: Dan Cross Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 09:43:08 -0400 Message-ID: To: Rob Pike Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: E7FY3HXNDMEQZIDHYU4J3COELWHU7EPV X-Message-ID-Hash: E7FY3HXNDMEQZIDHYU4J3COELWHU7EPV X-MailFrom: crossd@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: The Mark Williams Company and Coherent List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 9:03=E2=80=AFAM Dan Cross wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 3:00=E2=80=AFAM Rob Pike wrot= e: > > Another detail. There was lawyerly concern about the code being stolen,= and we (127) were asked to find ways to test, absent their source, whether= they had just stolen our source and built the binaries. It was soon conclu= ded that there were enough details different to definitively say that at le= ast most of the work was done in a clean room, as advertised, but the piece= I liked best is that their PPT(1) program (ASCII art showing a paper tape = rendering the argument text) did not include the original, and just discove= red, bug that mispunched, if I remember right, the letter 'R'. > > Along those lines, Dennis Ritchie wrote up a summary of the event on > USENET; apparently in 1998 (I had no idea it was this late): > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.folklore.computers/c/_ZaYeY46eb4/m/5B41Uy= m6d4QJ Sorry, just to clarify: I meant I had no idea Dennis's posting about the event happened so late; by 1998 USENET was basically overrun by spam. Obviously, the inspection trip had happened much earlier. - Dan C.