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List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000072df120613959beb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 13, 2024, 8:14=E2=80=AFPM Marc Rochkind w= rote: > Don't know the answer to your question, but last I knew the trademark (no= t > the copyright) was transferred to The Open Group. They came up with a set > of rules for what UNIX is and, as I understand it, for example, Linux is > not a UNIX-like system, it is a UNIX system. > Only some distributions... only a few have gone to the hassle of being certified... and usually on only on or two architectures. (The Open Group isn't interested in implementations of the UNIX standard, > only the standard itself.) > > Things change, and my information is a few years old. For all I know Elon > Musk owns it all now. ;-) > Last I checked, no. Of course by that measure, Unix isn't UNIX anymore... Warner Marc > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 6:34=E2=80=AFPM segaloco via TUHS = wrote: > >> Did some reading today, curious on the current state of things with >> AT&T's UNIX copyright genealogy. The series of events as I understand i= t >> are: >> >> AT&T partners with Novell for the Univel initiative. >> >> Novell then acquires System V and USL from AT&T. >> >> Novell sells UNIX System V's source to SCO, but as the courts have ruled= , >> not the copyright. >> >> Novell gets purchased by Microfocus. >> >> Microfocus gets purchased by OpenText Corporation. >> >> Does this make OpenText the current copyright holders of the commercial >> UNIX line from AT&T. >> >> What got me looking a bit closer into this is curiosity regarding how th= e >> opening of Solaris and the CDDL may impact publication of UNIX code betw= een >> System III and SVR4. I then felt the need to refresh on who might be th= e >> current copyright holder and this is where the trail has lead me. >> >> My understanding too is that Sun's release under the CDDL set the >> precedent that other sub-licencees of System V codebases are also at >> liberty to relicense their codebases, but this may be reading too far in= to >> it. There's also the concern that the ghost of SCO will continue to pun= ish >> anyone else who tries with costly-but-doomed-to-fail litigation. Have >> there been any happenings lately with regards to getting AT&T UNIX >> post-PDP-11 opened up more in the world? Reading up a bit on OpenText's >> business, they don't seem like they're invested in the OS world, seems t= hat >> their primary sector is content management. Granted, there's certainly >> under-the-radar trading of bits and pieces, but it would be nice to have >> some more certainty about what can happen out in the open. >> >> - Matt G. >> > > > -- > *My new email address is mrochkind@gmail.com * > --00000000000072df120613959beb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Mar 13, 2024, 8:14=E2=80=AFPM Marc Rochkind &l= t;mrochkind@gmail.com> wrote:=
Don't know=C2= =A0the answer to your question, but last I knew the trademark (not the copy= right) was transferred to The Open Group. They came up with a set of rules = for what UNIX is and, as I understand it, for example, Linux is not a UNIX-= like system, it is a UNIX system.

Only some distributions... only a few ha= ve gone to the hassle of being certified... and usually on only on or two a= rchitectures.

(The Open = Group isn't interested in implementations of the UNIX standard, only th= e standard itself.)

Things=C2=A0change, and my informati= on is a few years old. For all I know Elon Musk owns it all now. ;-)
<= /div>

Last I checked, no.

Of = course by that measure, Unix isn't UNIX anymore...

Warner

Marc

On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 6:34=E2=80= =AFPM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote:
Did some reading today, curious on the = current state of things with AT&T's UNIX copyright genealogy.=C2=A0= The series of events as I understand it are:

AT&T partners with Novell for the Univel initiative.

Novell then acquires System V and USL from AT&T.

Novell sells UNIX System V's source to SCO, but as the courts have rule= d, not the copyright.

Novell gets purchased by Microfocus.

Microfocus gets purchased by OpenText Corporation.

Does this make OpenText the current copyright holders of the commercial UNI= X line from AT&T.

What got me looking a bit closer into this is curiosity regarding how the o= pening of Solaris and the CDDL may impact publication of UNIX code between = System III and SVR4.=C2=A0 I then felt the need to refresh on who might be = the current copyright holder and this is where the trail has lead me.

My understanding too is that Sun's release under the CDDL set the prece= dent that other sub-licencees of System V codebases are also at liberty to = relicense their codebases, but this may be reading too far into it.=C2=A0 T= here's also the concern that the ghost of SCO will continue to punish a= nyone else who tries with costly-but-doomed-to-fail litigation.=C2=A0 Have = there been any happenings lately with regards to getting AT&T UNIX post= -PDP-11 opened up more in the world?=C2=A0 Reading up a bit on OpenText'= ;s business, they don't seem like they're invested in the OS world,= seems that their primary sector is content management.=C2=A0 Granted, ther= e's certainly under-the-radar trading of bits and pieces, but it would = be nice to have some more certainty about what can happen out in the open.<= br>
- Matt G.


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