From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99FC5237F2 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2024 01:31:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D652D431E1; Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:31:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ej1-x62e.google.com (mail-ej1-x62e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62e]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C59CA431D3 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:31:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ej1-x62e.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a45ecef71deso13308566b.2 for ; Thu, 07 Mar 2024 16:31:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1709857870; x=1710462670; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=vxhUkARmTGlxvXFFv7ewvuCy+n8/ZpH1O7pdceHWpK4=; b=b7CWGTQd4RTjAk5SiVI1dra3IlZstdCoDIHmQLgTumYcXRomfJuyWvtGTyDuGabems Z5KJ02eNF/3siLFf8VhHz8VdeXWgYTV64oAeX8b7Arw+LRdvcH68Op/BmF+JLFIYqZUp l0BWA9P9EAkyd6BlIwTUQG/Z86TtYZjUqG851dRTciZcVdJG6NNzuBgKSSZ8XPxW02XO w+7FkMP6N4kgL+KyIZMRRJOpU1xZ0+YsXR2T62NuI1ULpmGO5imJ7i89k7kOT6VdQ7gA lhfA2xmfyJOkfOSxnvUJeqfwgrz7vTma82uu7v3B/H+rvMZNW2ctndBWV4pJ5jSUiCA2 zX1w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1709857870; x=1710462670; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=vxhUkARmTGlxvXFFv7ewvuCy+n8/ZpH1O7pdceHWpK4=; b=EObrkG2PAe17LiBEl+WskzjTW7eNqY7pow5Z7GkBLRu/5dznIKJJbGzuF55pxp5gl9 8wP/hB+OcPFvxXQZb3ocH2bW3TcvoyJ1xOOjH/km0G05QNEc+W6QXviJ1MVoGzFPDjQG oivQk9XGEwbFVqyQ429FRDcdjXCWv0Al5pyjBHG5mUho4INkwElJABTULXWlMp2AVI3B w1GY+ftaUH1L8jwIfwMdZPSCDBguswqBno+ER95r5oCOuAdI2LhvevAO4HUAmkbMVa60 amG7S7posLxrHwz1kLlQey8OXBWhWmawBuJl+PVVcONwYxUSTHFBF5n1A4vDtzvDiHu3 lXVg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzaDVlARDSMUZBFOgFGZ1589bVXXdUHbtGrSuPII6qdwhcmzHbj H70l2vbPHordebgIuGm1GCfnCMmT07nywdWAZ47yFm7qd4HT/3xq3ec63AqzejErv2q66287dEU 3OHltOxpGOjd04Bb9GWhvMb79zD9Em19E1dW3OLTMZmepYRZVp7o= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IETXVQyi4tqCJwE1AOQPFRS9zvY4qJMnxNdDm22ntEpi0351FH2ZEXyfkTD1vL2UFjXtskcltEGEplmwwZG2Bc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:2c4f:b0:a45:cc06:d514 with SMTP id f15-20020a1709062c4f00b00a45cc06d514mr2474729ejh.58.1709857870606; Thu, 07 Mar 2024 16:31:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240307234921.GO2252@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 17:30:59 -0700 Message-ID: To: Rich Salz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fe94b606131b4e82" Message-ID-Hash: BUOSB6FA5ZAZ4J3IYZ3TWYBGYOK3VAE3 X-Message-ID-Hash: BUOSB6FA5ZAZ4J3IYZ3TWYBGYOK3VAE3 X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: History of non-Bell C compilers? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000fe94b606131b4e82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 5:08=E2=80=AFPM Rich Salz wrot= e: > I believe Snyder was an MIT Master's thesis, finished in 1975[1]. There > was a fair amount of C and compiler work at MIT LCS, perhaps JNC can post > some info. I think Snyder's compiler was used for the MIT PC/IP[2] projec= t; > the links at BitSavers imply they are related. PC/IP brought TCP and > clients to DOS 3 machines and was commercialized as FTP software and was > one of the reasons for the creation of the MIT license[4]. BDS C[3] was > done by an MIT drop-out, Leor Zolman. I bought my first motorcycle from h= im > :) BDS C was used for the first implementations of MINCE (mince is not > complete emacs -- those kinds of acronyms were popular) and Scribble, > downsized clones of emacs and Scribe, respectively. > > [1] http://www.lcs.mit.edu/publications/specpub.php?id=3D717 > [2] https://web.mit.edu/Saltzer/www/publications/pcip-1986.pdf > [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDS_C > [4] https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9263265 > Judging from what's at the bitsavers I posted, the source for pcip and this is the backstory to them. Warner --000000000000fe94b606131b4e82 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 5:08=E2=80=AFP= M Rich Salz <rich.salz@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
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I believe Snyder was an MIT Master's thesis, finished in 1975[1= ].=C2=A0 There was a fair amount of C and compiler work at MIT LCS, perhaps= JNC can post some info. I think Snyder's compiler was used for the MIT= PC/IP[2] project; the links at BitSavers imply they are related. PC/IP bro= ught TCP and clients to DOS 3 machines and was commercialized as FTP softwa= re and was one of the reasons for the creation of the MIT license[4]. BDS C= [3] was done by an MIT drop-out, Leor Zolman. I bought my first motorcycle = from him :) BDS C was used for the first implementations of MINCE (mince is= not complete emacs -- those kinds of acronyms were popular) and Scribble, = downsized clones of emacs and Scribe, respectively.

Judging from what's at the = bitsavers I posted, the source for pcip and this is the backstory=C2=A0to t= hem.

Warner
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