Sorry to top post, but LSX or Miniunix had non blocking I/O as well. It was in one of the documents that Clem scanned in the last year. It specifically was an experiment into how to do it. Warner On Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:07 AM Clem Cole wrote: > > > On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 7:10 AM Paul Ruizendaal wrote: > >> This behaviour seems to have continued into SysVR1, I’m not sure when >> EAGAIN came into use as a return value for this use case in the SysV >> lineage. Maybe with SysVR3 networking? > > Actually, I'm pretty sure that was a product of the POSIX discussions. > BSD already had networking an EWOULDBLOCK. We had argued about > EWOULDBLOCK a great deal, we also were arguing about signal semantics. > I've forgotten many of the details, Heinz may remember more than I do. > EAGAIN was created as a compromise -- IIRC neither system had it yet. > SVR3 networking was where it went into System V, although some of the AT&T > representatives were none too happy about it. > > > >> >> In the Research lineage, the above SysIII approach does not seem to >> exist, although the V8 manual page for open() says under BUGS "It should be >> possible [...] to optionally call open without the possibility of hanging >> waiting for carrier on communication lines.” In the same location for V10 >> it reads "It should be possible to call open without waiting for carrier on >> communication lines.” >> >> The July 1981 design proposals for 4.2BSD note that SysIII non-blocking >> files are a useful feature and should be included in the new system. In >> Jan/Feb 1982 this appears to be coded up, although not all affected files >> are under SCCS tracking at that point in time. Non-blocking behaviour is >> changed from the SysIII semantics, in that EWOULDBLOCK is returned instead >> of 0 when progress is not possible. The non-blocking behaviour is extended >> beyond TTY’s and pipes to sockets, with additional errors (such as >> EINPROGRESS). At this time EWOULDBLOCK is not the same error number as >> EGAIN. >> > My memory is that Keith was the BSD (CSRG) person at the POSIX meeting > (he, Jim McGinness of DEC, and I created PAX at one point as a > compromise). I wish I could remember all of the details, but this was all > argued at the POSIX meetings. > > As I said before the folks from AT&T just wanted to take the SVID and > rubber stamp it at the specification. Part of it the problem was they > wanted to be free to do what things/make choices that the rest of us might > or might not like (for instance, they did not want the sockets interface). > > > >> >> It would seem that the differences between the BSD and SysV lineages in >> this area persisted until around 2000 or so. >> > Yep - cause around then POSIX started to settle out and both systems began > to follow it. > > >