From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE63D20268 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2024 03:14:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038F5427DB; Thu, 14 Mar 2024 12:14:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-x32f.google.com (mail-wm1-x32f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32f]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F33E427D9 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2024 12:14:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-x32f.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-413eb712c3fso2764925e9.2 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2024 19:14:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1710382447; x=1710987247; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=djM86mGU2qV0Lno9O9bIHXzLE/CcUOjxzqWc6lzQUZo=; b=lXZrcQyjBM3Wnt3+ISvNJP8PdrVV1+d6FNXZv66jaKPnD1/kFpP+168U2ChyxSjU4U eXAm9/PKax6a0s8W6Sg94J9SsE/eEGxpKNKNJ2zyqovFM4J3SrFoCt/qnJ8QfYXuL0fD H+E/eKP5kvb/A/jehCKMkGCtZsipOxqeE+5PYcQxyn/LS9E6xqcWa70VKKMVfW6UDGY2 VbzbJ+pjQFRxmBfbMp0CMrtQ/bbxb5KMvu0ZLXF3XGKYh0Q2tFU4tfdq91IXwoDjP3xK gf4xbo6Jo7bEGi7mIFBpn5NosIS630GqWHQffeAFrCDd5AWbsc9vc7/Ybgp/FyrjLCkj +ngQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1710382447; x=1710987247; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=djM86mGU2qV0Lno9O9bIHXzLE/CcUOjxzqWc6lzQUZo=; b=ueH1qfRRJwVHA93Etu02IY3rV6a6dZLMXqCP3GdC0BqC6ejb4S0Plb5OiyacHB1PxW 3csAT6E2qrepMxwKe3ja90pxR9O2Je4iFXH4OZU0JHGApfnLmhS/Bhm61qWkWVU3ziNE lsKFKbwM/7q0ZU2EvMumj86DUvOUyg1Wij1Gjlmswu8ZbxCzwD+0NB25xL8u/8UZeScA sLsMMBtKuWIueNbkYbSnMAsNS9WrhMlik0Wq2OOj0kNI+lbP+VmPe/wF1sU02hFe4kH/ uFvdxL1PfLKC0jSqjgvWsedT9WNDw4Q8OWp1TkG+ggjx/YqPyim30v9KDfyMGK2jC4uA K+3g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwymmBxcz/IshvDCamKaDfLzzMfkhTR2HSBQuhpWMJvDVnH0I+/ QoIVnGxDnZqEySEhL4tiUMPRBgI1WO6tGIqabWZBErxH8UbPToYuzCUNQQvRj1dJqu3vJ9i7pic Vpoa8lX/PKBxBkl8BbUABeUmFHxyGZNrOUA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IE0BbNUb5cIz2xr+lkdmSJ6ZI6OMnnmLhePuLQHaEoSmHR1Y1t85GE+5SIA/1LCnfxRnBiWJR46dzVQUrtnwjc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:4686:b0:412:b42c:8ff1 with SMTP id p6-20020a05600c468600b00412b42c8ff1mr385364wmo.21.1710382447280; Wed, 13 Mar 2024 19:14:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9oGrJHb6s-fL1f5PDMKtnl-JN1Rea-AeDxEgkFiqJgAWEt7v6WUauLschmaq0ESqCnyAXwepvx7DKq9W6u3VRb8J5I8GJF7VmIpl87cy3-A=@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9oGrJHb6s-fL1f5PDMKtnl-JN1Rea-AeDxEgkFiqJgAWEt7v6WUauLschmaq0ESqCnyAXwepvx7DKq9W6u3VRb8J5I8GJF7VmIpl87cy3-A=@protonmail.com> From: Marc Rochkind Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 20:13:56 -0600 Message-ID: To: segaloco Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000033498106139572e8" Message-ID-Hash: JDXR24MTIHI6OB5R7RXQ54FY2LPEXFRX X-Message-ID-Hash: JDXR24MTIHI6OB5R7RXQ54FY2LPEXFRX X-MailFrom: mrochkind@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Is OpenText Corporation the Current System V Copyright Holder? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000033498106139572e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't know the answer to your question, but last I knew the trademark (not the copyright) was transferred to The Open Group. They came up with a set of rules for what UNIX is and, as I understand it, for example, Linux is not a UNIX-like system, it is a UNIX system. (The Open Group isn't interested in implementations of the UNIX standard, only the standard itself.) Things change, and my information is a few years old. For all I know Elon Musk owns it all now. ;-) Marc On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 6:34=E2=80=AFPM segaloco via TUHS w= rote: > Did some reading today, curious on the current state of things with AT&T'= s > UNIX copyright genealogy. The series of events as I understand it are: > > AT&T partners with Novell for the Univel initiative. > > Novell then acquires System V and USL from AT&T. > > Novell sells UNIX System V's source to SCO, but as the courts have ruled, > not the copyright. > > Novell gets purchased by Microfocus. > > Microfocus gets purchased by OpenText Corporation. > > Does this make OpenText the current copyright holders of the commercial > UNIX line from AT&T. > > What got me looking a bit closer into this is curiosity regarding how the > opening of Solaris and the CDDL may impact publication of UNIX code betwe= en > System III and SVR4. I then felt the need to refresh on who might be the > current copyright holder and this is where the trail has lead me. > > My understanding too is that Sun's release under the CDDL set the > precedent that other sub-licencees of System V codebases are also at > liberty to relicense their codebases, but this may be reading too far int= o > it. There's also the concern that the ghost of SCO will continue to puni= sh > anyone else who tries with costly-but-doomed-to-fail litigation. Have > there been any happenings lately with regards to getting AT&T UNIX > post-PDP-11 opened up more in the world? Reading up a bit on OpenText's > business, they don't seem like they're invested in the OS world, seems th= at > their primary sector is content management. Granted, there's certainly > under-the-radar trading of bits and pieces, but it would be nice to have > some more certainty about what can happen out in the open. > > - Matt G. > --=20 *My new email address is mrochkind@gmail.com * --00000000000033498106139572e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Don't know=C2=A0the answer to your question, but last = I knew the trademark (not the copyright) was transferred to The Open Group.= They came up with a set of rules for what UNIX is and, as I understand it,= for example, Linux is not a UNIX-like system, it is a UNIX system. (The Op= en Group isn't interested in implementations of the UNIX standard, only= the standard itself.)

Things=C2=A0change, and my inform= ation is a few years old. For all I know Elon Musk owns it all now. ;-)
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Marc

On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 6:34=E2=80=AFPM= segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org&g= t; wrote:
Did so= me reading today, curious on the current state of things with AT&T'= s UNIX copyright genealogy.=C2=A0 The series of events as I understand it a= re:

AT&T partners with Novell for the Univel initiative.

Novell then acquires System V and USL from AT&T.

Novell sells UNIX System V's source to SCO, but as the courts have rule= d, not the copyright.

Novell gets purchased by Microfocus.

Microfocus gets purchased by OpenText Corporation.

Does this make OpenText the current copyright holders of the commercial UNI= X line from AT&T.

What got me looking a bit closer into this is curiosity regarding how the o= pening of Solaris and the CDDL may impact publication of UNIX code between = System III and SVR4.=C2=A0 I then felt the need to refresh on who might be = the current copyright holder and this is where the trail has lead me.

My understanding too is that Sun's release under the CDDL set the prece= dent that other sub-licencees of System V codebases are also at liberty to = relicense their codebases, but this may be reading too far into it.=C2=A0 T= here's also the concern that the ghost of SCO will continue to punish a= nyone else who tries with costly-but-doomed-to-fail litigation.=C2=A0 Have = there been any happenings lately with regards to getting AT&T UNIX post= -PDP-11 opened up more in the world?=C2=A0 Reading up a bit on OpenText'= ;s business, they don't seem like they're invested in the OS world,= seems that their primary sector is content management.=C2=A0 Granted, ther= e's certainly under-the-radar trading of bits and pieces, but it would = be nice to have some more certainty about what can happen out in the open.<= br>
- Matt G.


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