From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519DF27AA2 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 00:00:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEE443185; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:00:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-x435.google.com (mail-wr1-x435.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::435]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50EDD4317C for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:00:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-x435.google.com with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-33e6aca1ca9so1963634f8f.2 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2024 16:00:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1710543621; x=1711148421; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=OufwjW7py2hYeUnpC4YmI3F+QwwvcBZD37aP2sx9OWw=; b=BuygYlz6ZUzcu7wvUWJ3JroYFadEzrwwAqpl10asjH/ssEExUvQKsbfSAdQ/W5+ZwY +qDrp3Bjdzw1i04d6uXGxxWwSW3nXUvbWJDelZYZFGm4dc3QNWF7ZDWPgBUw45tq9N6A I/He8t+ZZJtbUtzU38xbWcGEqvPngPoDRiFUyo9ZnEas46AzFoc4O/OPSLY7bjgg18WU UlisqJji/tr7nH0BKRAsjdBEZHmw/287mO+raR5GEnKnnAp5dI7Xuu2igqUPD6jOnMsi dFm9mBEZkqu/nRi+nO2orb8ePzbcjQ4BoQ/Gj0BQNaptU98h2EzC74lI4hry5rKUo0ex JVUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1710543621; x=1711148421; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=OufwjW7py2hYeUnpC4YmI3F+QwwvcBZD37aP2sx9OWw=; b=fF8yivDTN9gAO6YSoOlPHt4e105+12FZkMhMmyV0ApQoLYPrYYh6JZ0N27iKmkBkwA j5jLKRoEwTGDahjVX/GkYhCjDI4qSCN6eCC+qAzzefLMGyIPBLZTbr72sOPYF9Co4S6x Oclz3S2WRFRTaJaAPLpTGL5a4z6ZRkPnsn+TzPS+YdA9Ptp66rsjTiFJLXT3dKmHYO3R q9WdKqG8ez8rMbbh6+Nr5t5zVf5/UyOGT339ONMHb4sPWBs9BI2EaGdgZyx87DyFyTBC tZly0UEOCADB++sjFnNzJYR4ly50B27QXOX3XlRDFoPeYTMNCg+iTa9rbXHg4e7G3kSL nOew== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzNy0oEJtnP9ms+eiGvEi8Rc++4olLlekKH9K4+LmSh3zhlgxL4 MM6rVwz+jQTsli6ABMyLJ5TTEwJWdMAJ/RkTi2D/nfuCAABty1rOBRkH2iifYe6AjKX7YXjvSO+ tOYI/lLzTvjQPTqocaY9ozPQl6TRac28sbRAG X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFMgu1HzAsnHsTf891K8LO4SSUpj388elyE+jyDvUXH7naATYog0m87ycYh7lbPg0fv+dF7vCg44+MeIxQkQ4E= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:45c8:0:b0:33d:7e9e:4eb with SMTP id b8-20020a5d45c8000000b0033d7e9e04ebmr4607951wrs.12.1710543620520; Fri, 15 Mar 2024 16:00:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Marc Rochkind Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 17:00:09 -0600 Message-ID: To: Dave Horsfall Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dfc3210613baf81b" Message-ID-Hash: UGYZ5VGEFSO7Q3VNH57K74KKQB2LFU45 X-Message-ID-Hash: UGYZ5VGEFSO7Q3VNH57K74KKQB2LFU45 X-MailFrom: mrochkind@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: The Mark Williams Company and Coherent List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000dfc3210613baf81b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "... literally bug-compatible ..." When I used to work for the phone company.... wait, I mean Bell Labs ... I was in a department (under Rudd Canaday!) that was building an application to print phone books, so I got to learn a little about that side of the business. The Bells would deliberately put in bogus listings to see if the non-Bell phone books were stealing their data. (In the one case I was told about, they were not. The Bell company had no idea how they were getting the data.) Marc On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 4:28=E2=80=AFPM Dave Horsfall w= rote: > On Fri, 15 Mar 2024, Douglas McIlroy wrote: > > [...] > > > After a little study, the consultant confidently opined that the binary > > was obviously compiled from that source. "Would it surprise you," the > > lawyer asked, "if I told you that this is yours and that is ours?" The > > consultant did not attend the following day's meeting. > > Does anyone remember the case of the program that was literally > bug-compatible? That's mostly because the source had been pirated; the > bug was obscure enough that it was unlikely to have been reproduced > independently... > > -- Dave > --=20 *My new email address is mrochkind@gmail.com * --000000000000dfc3210613baf81b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"...=C2=A0 literally bug-compatible ..."

When I used to work f= or the phone company.... wait, I mean Bell Labs ... I was in a department (= under Rudd Canaday!) that was building an application to print phone books,= so I got to learn a little about that side of the business. The Bells woul= d deliberately put in bogus listings to see if the non-Bell phone books wer= e stealing their data. (In the one case I was told about, they were not. Th= e Bell company had no idea how they were getting the data.)

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Marc

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 4:28=E2=80=AFPM Dave Horsfall &= lt;dave@horsfall.org> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 202= 4, Douglas McIlroy wrote:

[...]

> After a little study, the consultant confidently opined that the binar= y
> was obviously compiled from that source. "Would it surprise you,&= quot; the
> lawyer asked, "if I told you that this is yours and that is ours?= " The
> consultant did not attend the following day's meeting.

Does anyone remember the case of the program that was literally
bug-compatible?=C2=A0 That's mostly because the source had been pirated= ; the
bug was obscure enough that it was unlikely to have been reproduced
independently...

-- Dave


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