From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7F52522B for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2024 00:18:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FACD432FD; Sat, 9 Mar 2024 09:18:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from lax.lemis.com (www.lemis.com [45.32.70.18]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5947E432BE for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2024 09:18:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from eureka.lemis.com (121-200-11-253.79c80b.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net [121.200.11.253]) by lax.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E991B2810E; Fri, 8 Mar 2024 23:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hydra.lemis.com (hydra.lemis.com [192.109.197.129]) by eureka.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12052635BA; Sat, 9 Mar 2024 10:18:01 +1100 (AEDT) Received: from hydra.lemis.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hydra.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BAA13CC9; Sat, 9 Mar 2024 10:18:01 +1100 (AEDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by hydra.lemis.com (8.17.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 428NI09E046350; Sat, 9 Mar 2024 10:18:00 +1100 (AEDT) (envelope-from grog) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 10:18:00 +1100 From: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" To: Larry McVoy Message-ID: References: <9eb334edeb7568193000f8755704af7799169b17.camel@gmail.com> <789486d8dae3335166640461f7885bf9cf6043cf.camel@gmail.com> <20240308034259.GS2252@mcvoy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Gk8zq/rbKLSvdTy0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20240308034259.GS2252@mcvoy.com> Organization: LEMIS, 29 Stones Road, Dereel, VIC, Australia Phone: +61-3-5309-0418 Mobile: +61-490-494-038. Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Message-ID-Hash: Q3DWSPHJ443ZQXFWICKULKSE2BZIWOLD X-Message-ID-Hash: Q3DWSPHJ443ZQXFWICKULKSE2BZIWOLD X-MailFrom: grog@hydra.lemis.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: "Jeffry R. Abramson" , Ben Kallus , "tuhs@tuhs.org" X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] FreeBSD kernel not OK? (was: What do you currently use for your primary OS at home?) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --Gk8zq/rbKLSvdTy0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday, 7 March 2024 at 19:42:59 -0800, Larry McVoy wrote: > On Thu, Mar 07, 2024 at 08:15:43PM -0500, Jeffry R. Abramson wrote: >> On Thu, 2024-03-07 at 13:08 +0000, Ben Kallus wrote: > > FreeBSD and me got reconnected when Netflix wanted to hire me a > while back. While the kernel may be OK (it's not, ask me how I > know, I walked the code) OK, I'm asking. I've been there too, and I don't see any obvious and serious deficiencies. > FreeBSD is stuck in the 1980s. Raise your hand if you have > installed FreeBSD in the last 20 years. /me raises. > That "UI" for partitioning the disks, so arcane. The whole install > experience is _awful_. Agreed, some of the installation tools could do with improvement. But how often do you install FreeBSD? As I have already noted, I've been using it for 25 years or so, and in the early days I held classes on installing FreeBSD. By about 2000 they seemed a little pointless. In general, once it's there, it's there. You seem to be emphasizing the wrong part of the system. > SunOS was a bug fixed BSD, so I really loved BSD. But BSD is so > dead it is not even funny. Linux is light years ahead. Here is an > example from more than 20 years ago. I was installing RedHat Linux > and the machine I was installing on didn't have a mouse. The > installer was graphical and it was just easier to tab through the > options than go find a mouse. Again, installation. How about *using* the system? And why should you need a *mouse* to install software? Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php --Gk8zq/rbKLSvdTy0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQSaG4ICvM64RvkvCawi5vKQUHpCIwUCZeucpAAKCRAi5vKQUHpC IxXGAJ49sumKmV2oy+8ajKoahp6e3Ra6OQCeKSDdyHt2U1JMlKqJ7oXDo3M2nsQ= =HxSF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Gk8zq/rbKLSvdTy0--