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List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 7 Mar 2024, Larry McVoy wrote: > So I'm a SunOS guy, got there just after SunOS 4.0, contributed to 4.1, > really contributed to 4.1.1 and 4.1.3. I loved SunOS. SunOS 4.1.4: pure bliss... But we know what happened next :-( > FreeBSD and me got reconnected when Netflix wanted to hire me a while > back. While the kernel may be OK (it's not, ask me how I know, I walked > the code), FreeBSD is stuck in the 1980s. Raise your hand if you have > installed FreeBSD in the last 20 years. That "UI" for partitioning the > disks, so arcane. The whole install experience is _awful_. Well, OK, in approx order :-) As a FreeBSD nut, consider yourself asked... User since, oh, when BSD/OS got borged, I guess. And I've seen worse UIs... Mind you, that SunOS installer was great! Now, hands up all those who partially overlapped root with swap etc (on any *nix box)... > SunOS was a bug fixed BSD, so I really loved BSD. But BSD is so dead it > is not even funny. Linux is light years ahead. Here is an example from > more than 20 years ago. I was installing RedHat Linux and the machine I > was installing on didn't have a mouse. The installer was graphical and > it was just easier to tab through the options than go find a mouse. You like that abomination known as "systemd"? As for mice, I always kept a couple in the drawer (serial, RF, etc). > I'd love it if BSD had kept up but it has not. Linux is way better. > Yeah, all the bloat is annoying but we are not running on 64KB PDP-lls. > L1 is that size, L2 and L3 are bigger. Main memory is many orders of > magnitude bigger, I'm typing this on a 32GB memory laptop. It's fine. I'm typing this on a Mac 8GB laptop, into my FreeBSD 512MB (yes) server (it works; I can't afford anything better on my pension). Oh, I've also used OpenBSD, but since you practically need permission to even fart then I'd only recommend it as a firewall. It's all abut horses for courses: OpenBSD for a firewall, FreeBSD for its amazing ports, NetBSD to run on weird hardware, and a Mac for fun :-) The only reason that I have a Penguin (if I can just revive it) was to run stuff that doesn't seem to exist elsewhere; I haven't missed it... -- Dave