From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0796624F05 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2024 23:26:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82CC42901; Fri, 8 Mar 2024 08:25:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 256EE428FF for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2024 08:25:55 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=makerlisp.com; s=s1-ionos; t=1709850354; x=1710455154; i=luther.johnson@makerlisp.com; bh=wZ9qFg+/FydGppXfm/JWCIBHe+cerAuIurBxjIkbVb0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=lF9GzPSBOAiEdOCbmtpMXhwixbmmMW6yUAs75e/Yt2bB2hs9jRZ3Ww1R4YcaoyLl 3RqdBbI3QTn6kywEAUpVfHJRuos4InHW08SqF9Pf2VdXU4mGHDMISITtZVoMZvCcF G504x5JUypt2YafQKjTUPOyRks5jI3Gm07jH5cFGTyGTOmBV2cKgmGfXecHtQJaes ec/wKvB2VXlYGGks/49C9QSfq6LqfTm87PYF/OL206UJvdDAWpITNSkHE8/9hqwrP 0n184bokokFyhz/twyKdDFk7Evxl24t7edax7v1WcJmUlcCcVvYKDTnPvgmMclBwp t6+vQu1umMEsWCIqmg== X-UI-Sender-Class: 55c96926-9e95-11ee-ae09-1f7a4046a0f6 Received: from makerlispvps ([74.208.29.250]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus002 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lxyra-1qoPTB2KmK-015EXQ for ; Thu, 07 Mar 2024 23:25:53 +0100 Received: from [192.168.234.134] (unknown [172.58.88.31]) by makerlispvps (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 133798B524 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2024 22:25:52 +0000 (UTC) To: tuhs@tuhs.org References: <9eb334edeb7568193000f8755704af7799169b17.camel@gmail.com> From: Luther Johnson Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 15:25:51 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F1626CC75360C429BD751E39" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:a12AWaqXUFzFfn0SrPgzBfFAbRqL+bpwuus/GebJsm9hAPnQ1ri WPn91AjuBvqFYw561iOqYop8O17CR6y7tK75W78864AojxNi6+iL+gpfAv7SctFign41ql8 bF0S8JPypErM/w/0sM8DVaYxxKJSnfWEvfAkFcLIbxoeqZqnBQBHxSCGbYcHJllJbcDNfcO cPLLNDkkOm6egIQPc5saw== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:pCGL5q6K7/A=;84F8pyvEB6Rae1msCPSq2MPOOxW wGf5MZf8qdQxrVzwtvBwrPLFGCssNMBsW+BW8DgVyJBeE0VnnlZdIF16EDEGkMWr03RepiUJS Orit7IDAB8AIVZfsouDY3aCQg0F2XzRNAQqPNaVWd4/EX6YXk4TuxzW/Rp2uyq0jRHJN5e2wO 0KorPRAFH696o7HBbPhzdUk8oe9ZrswM1p7LrG2tPPIRnnwR/7aBMY7z/5YUAhU9vtFgQtsD4 ilu/VZ4oL3QsX+UkyiGxyIRhiVt7EurwlqvnJMGnF/VzXoaRuMiv63QQuLlEHVHYnp1JaqRSD QItAs5mcul9nFI3gBc/I7jehRQapTitCcnPxbUghcfaars9lW+d1lktvlMHKYfjOYc1ZGVn4w IkUKvBaityBsD/Clp8yicHbSanMHxPA11uxc+N3p0C0nms8Nl7rWqn7cPY41se4ljpaX5PQxM PzRGtlp6vJHFvLTMKzqdIFlr5LUlB3vdEDk+VMaIaNVK6i88yy0eHDGATsHd8rozGeJYa1rBU TGbIjzvchD8lYrJJtc56pNviNe8kgSv0yHmoNlI9XLKb1W0mfEQbHXB0hhVkTCyPdeEW8Mpgd kQqErlyCBCXL9ylCy4zoiP1BB7POcXoD3u0VELnK59/ulm7FjYeCrYVv763CcS117wOjQ5EDF RJmLyY8SZ1DcysF8XHZ4tPNeCUQCvCQdPQxzW0upQ9deUsLq0wwja3nf90//6PKDuuR2MbCEh Iu+5FYYVxtT7I3p/hQjcbS+JjqamE98YvZ5iLUuUxnGsBLJcwfbO2s= Message-ID-Hash: ZO7VSKVBWTJXFCHQT623KMO65LIIVTOC X-Message-ID-Hash: ZO7VSKVBWTJXFCHQT623KMO65LIIVTOC X-MailFrom: luther.johnson@makerlisp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: What do you currently use for your primary OS at home? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F1626CC75360C429BD751E39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What I use: Debian 6.0.10, Gnome 2.30.2, on VMware Player 3.1.6, on Windows 7. All on a ThinkPad X220. I don't so much recommend these specific versions of each of these tools, it's just that once I got something working and learned the ins and outs of all the system administration to keep the whole thing healthy, I wasn't willing to take on learning a bunch of new stuff for new versions, especially since I didn't particularly like the direction the look and feel of all the later versions, seemed to be going. I've flirted with Mate to take the place of Gnome 2, on later Linuxes, but those Linuxes needed later VMware versions, and so on, so I came back to what I had working. My advice for someone just trying to sort out what they want to use, is to get a configuration, whatever it is, that lets you work most of the time the way you want (something Unix'y, for me), but then have one "necessary evil" environment for those things you can't do any other way. Putting most of your preferred "world" under a virtual machine, running on a "not-great-but-still-supported-at-the-moment" OS, helps make your set-up more portable when you change host machines and operating systems, when your computer hardware wears out, or when you need a new computer for some other reason. On 03/07/2024 02:21 PM, Adam Thornton wrote: > Daily driver is MacOS. Local network services, mostly Linux on > amd64. Retrocomputing, mostly Linux on Raspberry Pi. > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 11:47=E2=80=AFPM Jeffry R. Abramson > > wrote: > > I've been using some variant of Linux (currently Debian 12) as my > primary OS for daily activities (email, web, programming, photo > editing, etc.) for the past twenty years or so. Prior to that it wa= s > FreeBSD for nearly ten years after short stints with Minix and Linux > when they first came out. At the time (early/mid 90's), I was workin= g > for Bell Labs and had a ready supply of SCSI drives salvaged from > retired equipment. I bought a Seagate ST-01A ISA SCSI controller fo= r > whatever 386/486 I owned at the time and installed Slackware floppy = by > floppy. > > When I upgraded to a Pentium PC for home, Micron P90 I think, I > installed a PCI SCSI controller (Tekram DC-390 equipped with an > NCR53c8xx chip) to make use of my stash of drives. Under Linux it w= as > never entirely stable. I asked on Usenet and someone suggested tryi= ng > the other SCSI driver. This was the ncr driver that had been ported > from FreeBSD. My stability problems went away and I decided to take= a > closer look at FreeBSD. It reminded me of SunOS from the good old > pre- > System V era along with the version of Unix I had used in grad schoo= l > in the late 70's/early 80's so I switched. > > I eventually reverted back to Linux because it was clear that the us= er > community was getting much larger, I was using it professionally at > work and there was just a larger range of applications available. > Lately, I find myself getting tired of the bloat and how big and mes= sy > and complicated it has all gotten. Thinking of looking for somethin= g > simpler and was just wondering what do other old timers use for thei= r > primary home computing needs? > > Jeff > > --------------F1626CC75360C429BD751E39 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What I use: Debian 6.0.10, Gnome 2.30.2, on VMware Player 3.1.6, on Windows 7. All on a ThinkPad X220.

I don't so much recommend these specific versions of each of these tools, it's just that once I got something working and learned the ins and outs of all the system administration to keep the whole thing healthy, I wasn't willing to take on learning a bunch of new stuff for new versions, especially since I didn't particularly like the direction the look and feel of all the later versions, seemed to be going.

I've flirted with Mate to take the place of Gnome 2, on later Linuxes, but those Linuxes needed later VMware versions, and so on, so I came back to what I had working.

My advice for someone just trying to sort out what they want to use, is to get a configuration, whatever it is, that lets you work most of the time the way you want (something Unix'y, for me), but then have one "necessary evil" environment for those things you can't do any other way.

Putting most of your preferred "world" under a virtual machine, running on a "not-great-but-still-supported-at-the-moment" OS, helps make your set-up more portable when you change host machines and operating systems, when your computer hardware wears out, or when you need a new computer for some other reason.

On 03/07/2024 02:21 PM, Adam Thornton wrote:
Daily driver is MacOS.=C2=A0 Local network services= , mostly Linux on amd64.=C2=A0 Retrocomputing, mostly Linux on Raspberry Pi.

On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 11:47=E2=80=AFPM Jeffry R. Abramson <jeffryrabramson@gmai= l.com> wrote:
I= 've been using some variant of Linux (currently Debian 12) as my
primary OS for daily activities (email, web, programming, photo
editing, etc.) for the past twenty years or so.=C2=A0 Prior to t= hat it was
FreeBSD for nearly ten years after short stints with Minix and Linux
when they first came out. At the time (early/mid 90's), I was working
for Bell Labs and had a ready supply of SCSI drives salvaged from
retired equipment.=C2=A0 I bought a Seagate ST-01A ISA SCSI controller for
whatever 386/486 I owned at the time and installed Slackware floppy by
floppy.

When I upgraded to a Pentium PC for home, Micron P90 I think, I
installed a PCI SCSI controller (Tekram DC-390 equipped with an
NCR53c8xx chip) to make use of my stash of drives.=C2=A0 Under Linux it was
never entirely stable.=C2=A0 I asked on Usenet and someone suggested trying
the other SCSI driver.=C2=A0 This was the ncr driver that had be= en ported
from FreeBSD.=C2=A0 My stability problems went away and I decide= d to take a
closer look at FreeBSD.=C2=A0 It reminded me of SunOS from the g= ood old pre-
System V era along with the version of Unix I had used in grad school
in the late 70's/early 80's so I switched.

I eventually reverted back to Linux because it was clear that the user
community was getting much larger, I was using it professionally at
work and there was just a larger range of applications available.
Lately, I find myself getting tired of the bloat and how big and messy
and complicated it has all gotten.=C2=A0 Thinking of looking for something
simpler and was just wondering what do other old timers use for their
primary home computing needs?

Jeff



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