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Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tarpaulin.shahaf.local2 (Postfix, from userid 1005) id 4FKT5d1H2fzhV; Tue, 13 Apr 2021 14:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 14:49:25 +0000 From: Daniel Shahaf To: zsh-workers@zsh.org Subject: Re: Rewrite of zsh-newuser-install (Mikael's subthread) Message-ID: <20210413144925.GM6819@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> References: <20210407162447.GB6316@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> <15283D59-F7B5-4A4C-AFFA-B9D3BB46963F@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Seq: 48530 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Roman Perepelitsa wrote on Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 00:03:18 +0200: > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:42 PM Bart Schaefer > wrote: > > > > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 1:47 PM dana wrote: > > > > > > the proposed changes have gone beyond the scope i'd initially envisioned. > > > > Ditto. > > Likewise. I've stopped commenting on this thread when it became > apparent that the size and complexity of the default zshrc I had in > mind is an order of magnitude lower than what's being discussed. > > In my opinion, if zsh were to ship with a default zshrc (or generate > one via a wizard), it must be REALLY simple and REALLY short. If > someone wants to define a better zshrc with more functionality, let > them do so and compete with oh-my-zsh. It's much better for the > default zshrc to be too conservative than too complex. May I mention zsh-sensible (the original one) again? Here's its zshrc with comments removed: [[[ PS1="%m:%~%# " setopt INTERACTIVE_COMMENTS HISTSIZE=1000 SAVEHIST=1000 HISTFILE=${XDG_CACHE_HOME:-"${HOME}/.cache"}/zsh_history autoload -Uz compinit && compinit zstyle ':completion:*' group-name '' zstyle ':completion:*' format '>>> %d' autoload -Uz add-zsh-hook autoload -Uz vcs_info _precmd_vcs_info() { vcs_info if [[ -n ${vcs_info_msg_0_} ]]; then print -P -r -- ${vcs_info_msg_0_} fi } add-zsh-hook precmd _precmd_vcs_info bindkey -e ]]]