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From: "Lawrence Velázquez" <larryv@zsh.org>
To: "Bart Schaefer" <schaefer@brasslantern.com>
Cc: zsh-workers@zsh.org
Subject: Re: behavior of test true -a \( ! -a \)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2024 22:52:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6cd18696-c5be-4306-9660-ed625de3bf69@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH+w=7YUUx5ob=Fa9YvUi2dAzuMNrBR96U0wUvVFZdMSRH9wWA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 23, 2024, at 8:14 PM, Bart Schaefer wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 4:33 PM Lawrence Velázquez <larryv@zsh.org> wrote:
>>
>> The next version of POSIX will only specify what happens with four
>> arguments if the very first one is "!".  The "-a" and "-o" primaries
>> and the "(" and ")" operators have been removed.
>
> So, no "and"/"or" at all, and no grouping?  Or are they just demoted
> from "primary" and "operator" in some way?

The former -- everything marked "OB" in the current "test" spec [1]
has been completely excised from the upcoming one (although shells
can retain them as extensions to the standard, to avoid breaking
scripts).  The current "Application Usage" section [2] already
recommends that portable scripts stick to simpler "test" commands
connected with general shell syntax, like so:

	test -f "$foo" || { test ! "$bar" && test -d "$baz"; }

[1]: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/test.html
[2]: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/test.html#tag_20_128_16

-- 
vq


  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-24  2:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-21 10:07 Vincent Lefevre
2024-03-21 10:28 ` Peter Stephenson
2024-03-21 11:04   ` Vincent Lefevre
2024-03-21 11:29     ` Peter Stephenson
2024-03-21 12:18       ` Vincent Lefevre
2024-03-21 12:25         ` Peter Stephenson
2024-03-21 19:06           ` Bart Schaefer
2024-03-22  5:02             ` Bart Schaefer
2024-03-25 16:38       ` Peter Stephenson
2024-03-25 17:36         ` Bart Schaefer
2024-04-03 13:59           ` Vincent Lefevre
2024-03-21 17:39 ` Bart Schaefer
2024-03-23 21:48   ` Bart Schaefer
2024-03-23 22:20     ` Vincent Lefevre
2024-03-23 22:41       ` Bart Schaefer
2024-03-23 23:33         ` Lawrence Velázquez
2024-03-24  0:14           ` Bart Schaefer
2024-03-24  2:52             ` Lawrence Velázquez [this message]
2024-03-25 10:23         ` Vincent Lefevre
2024-03-25 15:21           ` Bart Schaefer
2024-03-25 17:33             ` Vincent Lefevre
2024-03-25 17:43               ` Bart Schaefer

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