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From: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>
To: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
Cc: Zsh hackers list <zsh-workers@zsh.org>
Subject: Re: Bug with unset variables
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 16:52:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAH+w=7Z+Brh5KfwUJakoaKfQ39WQbYoRELyfpu3YO1Ro-Ewvfg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMP44s0QMzJuMPoMZ1BR=+Y2_n4iEE-coXVtmFTdaHj4AuxTVw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:39 PM Felipe Contreras
<felipe.contreras@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My argument is about the consistency from user's perspective.

Consistent from what user's point of view?  One coming to zsh from
other languages or one long familiar with zsh?  Because zsh
development has consistently (ahem) sided with the latter.

> This is the example I gave to Roman, which went completely unresponded:
>
>   func () {
>     [[ -n "$1" ]] && var=$1
>     dosomething ${var-other}
>   }
>
>   func () {
>     typeset var
>     [[ -n "$1" ]] && var=$1
>     dosomething ${var-other}
>   }

In the first case, $var is a global, so the behavior of ${var-other}
is unknown.  It's not possible to write deterministic code.

In the second case, there's a knowable behavior of ${var-other}.  That
behavior doesn't match your expectation, but it's well-defined.

To make the first function deterministic, it is necessary to write:

func () {
  unset var
  [[ -n "$1" ]] && var=$1
  dosomething ${var-other}
}

Whether one should expect "typeset var" to imply "unset" is how we
ended up in this discussion.


  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-24  0:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-11 15:57 Felipe Contreras
2020-11-11 16:13 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-11 16:56   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-11 17:02     ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-11 18:03       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-11 18:16         ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-11 20:42           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-12  0:20             ` Mikael Magnusson
2020-11-12  1:10               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-12  8:45             ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-12 10:47               ` Peter Stephenson
2020-11-12 18:48                 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-12 19:49                 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-12 18:46               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-12 19:10                 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-12 21:08                   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13  8:51                     ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-14  0:52                       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-14  5:41                         ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-16 19:41                           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-16 20:22                             ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-17 20:28                               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-18 22:45                                 ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-11-22  1:20                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-23  4:00                                     ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-11-23  6:18                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-19  2:59                                 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-22  1:50                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-17 20:54                             ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-22  1:49                               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-23  6:48                                 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-23  7:26                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-23 20:26                                     ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-23 23:39                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-24  0:52                                         ` Bart Schaefer [this message]
2020-11-25  8:46                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-27 15:44                                             ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-11-27 20:49                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-27 20:59                                                 ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-11-27 21:33                                                   ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-27 23:37                                                     ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-11-27 23:45                                                       ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-28  0:24                                                       ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-28  7:32                                                         ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-28 12:05                                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-12 19:26                 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-12 21:48                   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13 22:17                     ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-14  0:58                       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-11 18:36         ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-11 21:08           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-11 17:02     ` Peter Stephenson
2020-11-11 18:05       ` Felipe Contreras

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