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From: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 14:06:05 -0800
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Subject: Re: More rabbit-holes with unset variables
To: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 1:49 PM Felipe Contreras
<felipe.contreras@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There's no rabbit hole here. It's obvious that zsh's behavior is inconsistent.

The rabbit holes are all the possible tangents that may or may not be
additional inconsistencies, into which we keep plunging, rather than
focusing on the most reasonable way to address the one we started
with.