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Mon, 01 Apr 2024 12:59:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bart Schaefer Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2024 12:59:09 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Aliases that ignore "noaliases" To: Zsh hackers list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Seq: 52866 Archived-At: X-Loop: zsh-workers@zsh.org Errors-To: zsh-workers-owner@zsh.org Precedence: list Precedence: bulk Sender: zsh-workers-request@zsh.org X-no-archive: yes List-Id: List-Help: , List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: There are some cases where it would be nice to be able to declare an alias that "always works". The most obvious recent example would be alias nameref='typeset -n' but also some hackiness in zsh/param/private could be avoided with alias private='local -P' This is important when the alias invokes a keyword rather than a builtin, e.g. function private { local -P "$@" } doesn't parse its argument list the same way. There are some other instances where an internally-defined alias that (in particular) survives "autoload -U" might be useful. Any thoughts?