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From: "Boyd Roberts" <boyd@fr.inter.net>
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Subject: Re: [9fans] Inferno plug-in security
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Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 01:22:21 +0200
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> so you tell :-)

> SFR, Paris, France
> End to end security study of HDML [WAP]

yeah and soon i'll be able to tell the coolest/stupidist SFR screwup which involved
security, but i have to re-read my contract.

> France 3, Paris, France
> Design and development of client/server applications 
> Design and installation of Firewall (SV5R4).

yep when we used to build 'em by hand.

i could tell you a story about gatekeeper.dec.com, when i was digital employee,
but a reliable source tells me that i should keep that to myself.

> skills used : Cryptography, C, IP , IP Security 

yeah that got used.  i can tell you that alphas, DES and a chunk of disks were used.

> surely that's just restating the problem?

but that _is_ the problem.  it's very simple.  doing it right is the hard part.

doug gywn is an infinitely better crypto source than i am.

from my own observations and from a well know security presence, the bottom line is:

    this is no security

no one cares.