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From: "boyd, rounin" <boyd@insultant.net>
To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Cc: "Fredrik Juhlin" <laz@strakt.com>
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Subject: Re: [9fans] Fork: useless and painful?
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> I think the root of the problem is that in Unix-family operating
> systems (including Plan 9) the shell and utilities have tried to
> serve two different masters, which is always hard.

internationalisation is hard.  forget about french; all those diacritical
marks are just the same as ' in english -- used to replace 'missing'
characters:

    h=F4pital =3D hospital 'cos the =F4 =3D os

whereas in swedish they have 3 extra real vowels.  sure they have
diacritical marks but they are _real characters_ with a collating
sequence and a nasty set of pronounciation rules.

take iso latin 1:  sure, you have all the chars but it depends on
_where_ you are as:

   Fredrik (listen to me) Juhlin  <laz@strakt.com>

pointed out to me and i had to rethink my internationalisation thoughts.

and, yeah, he was right.