* [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW @ 2000-07-27 18:05 ` Richard Uhtenwoldt 2000-07-27 18:42 ` Alexander Viro 2000-07-27 20:30 ` Scott Schwartz 0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Richard Uhtenwoldt @ 2000-07-27 18:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans a startup called ProgenyLinux.com plans to add to Linux per-process namespaces and a network filesystem partially inspired by Plan 9, resulting in a product tentatively called Linux NOW where "NOW" stands for "network or workstations". I attach an abridged version of Ian Murdoch's description of the plans followed by some hints on how well financed ProgenyLinux.com is. on a related note, on June 12 Scott Schwartz <schwartz@bio.cse.psu.edu> wrote, "I don't know the precise status of this, but linux developers are working on adding 9p to their system." is Linux NOW what Scott was thinking of? if not, I'd appreciate more info. this next comes from http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/07/27/1526236 Linux NOW makes a network look like a single system to simplify the task of managing the network, sharing resources on the network, making the network secure, providing a consistent environment to users. <snip> Linux NOW is about building a good abstraction, about simplifying, about reducing big problems to smaller, more approachable problems. We are writing a new file system. Many of the features that we need have been implemented in one file system or another, but there is no one file system that does all we need in one package. The file system that we're writing is largely influenced by the Sprite file system (http://HTTP.CS.Berkeley.EDU/Research/Projects/sprite/sprite.html), but we're integrating in various bits and pieces from other file systems where that makes sense. For example, Sprite was written ten years ago, and these days, networks are no longer static things, they contain laptops and mobile devices that come and go, and those mobile devices should be equal members of the network of workstations. So, we're looking very closely at projects like Coda and InterMezzo that provide support for mobile computing and disconnected operation, and borrowing ideas and code from those where that makes sense. We are also looking at cluster file systems, like GFS, and other network operating systems, particularly Plan 9. <snip> If you could take 2 features from two other operating systems and add them to *nix what would they be? Ian: The first feature I would add to Unix is a good distributed file system. Unix has been lacking in this department for a long time. This is really unfortunate, because the file system is such a central abstraction in Unix, arguably *the* central abstraction in Unix. In Unix, if you can get the file system right, solutions to a remarkable number of very difficult problems just fall out, so the lack of a good distributed file system has really been the central thing that has made networks of workstations so hard to manage and use. The most important thing that a file system does is provide a name space, a high-level view of data storage. In spite of this, this is exactly where most network file systems for Unix fall short. Network file systems for Unix tend to be designed to share private name spaces, rather than to build common, network-oriented, network-wide name spaces. Look at the current state of affairs in Unix. Each machine on the network has its own disk and its own private name space built above it. Unix gives us NFS and AFS and other file systems to share name spaces, but the end result is that all these machines still have their own disks and their own name spaces built above them. Resources are scattered all over the network, and you end up with this crazy quilt of name spaces stitched together in haphazard ways. Some of the name spaces are shared, some aren't, and some parts of the private name spaces need to be shared but can't be shared easily. So, you end up with all sorts of problems, like how do you keep configuration consistent, how do you provide a consistent environment to users, how do you keep software up to date, and things get very complicated in a hurry. In terms of what other operating systems have done with file systems, Sprite got the name space issue right. Sprite provided a single system image across a cluster of machines, including a single file system image; so, although there may be many computers and thus many disks in the network, there is one file system shared by all of them. Unix needs a file system that builds a network-wide name space, and provides high performance, high availability, good security, support for mobile computing, and other things too. The second feature I would add to Unix are the per-process name spaces of Plan 9. That is just an incredibly good idea. Although they are different in many ways, Plan 9 is like Sprite in that it builds a single system image across a network of machines, and there is one file system providing access to a global set of resources, just as there is in Sprite. The difference is that, in Plan 9, machines, users, and even processes can build their own local view of this global name space, rather than sharing one common view. This is a very powerful mechanism because you don't always want to see the same name space. For example, how do you deal with heterogeneity in a network of workstations? How do you deal with different classes of machines or users with varying access rights to the network's resources? Plan 9's per-process name spaces address these kinds of issues in a very elegant way. from a Progeny Linux press release: Indianapolis: July 10, 2000 - Progeny Linux Systems announces that it has completed its first round of financing. The new company has received seed capital through a private placement. <snip> Both Ian Murdock, president and CEO of Progeny, and Bruce Perens, Chairman of the Board of Directors, have served as Debian Project Leader and are involved in the Linux community. Other members of Progeny's staff are active Debian developers. Dr John H. Hartman, Chief Technical Officer, is an expert on computer operating and storage systems, and an Assistant Professor at the University of Arizona. Bern Galvin, Chief Financial Officer, has over twenty years of corporate financial experience, with expertise in viability analysis, organizational restructuring, due diligence, acquisitions, and corporate startups. Financing for Progeny was obtained with the help of the Linux Capital Group (www.linuxvc.com). Investors include a mixture of venture capitalists, investment bankers, angels, and the officers of several large publicly traded companies. Despite the volatility in the public markets, the financing was heavily oversubscribed. More details about Progeny's plans will be released in the next few months. For more information, contact info@progenylinux.com, or phone 1-317-833-0313. <snip> Progeny Linux System is an Open Source company. We are firmly committed to Open Source, open development, and the community of developers and users that makes our business possible. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW 2000-07-27 18:05 ` [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW Richard Uhtenwoldt @ 2000-07-27 18:42 ` Alexander Viro 2000-07-27 20:30 ` Scott Schwartz 1 sibling, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Alexander Viro @ 2000-07-27 18:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Richard Uhtenwoldt wrote: > a startup called ProgenyLinux.com plans to add to Linux per-process <raised brows> Startup called ProgenyLinux.com would do everybody a big favour if they would appear on linux-fsdevel and talk about their plans on somewhat, eh, more technical level. Paint me cynical, but when information goes through such channels as SplashSnort _and_ does not appear (a single fscking word) on development maillists... > namespaces and a network filesystem partially inspired by Plan 9, > resulting in a product tentatively called Linux NOW where "NOW" stands > for "network or workstations". I attach an abridged version of Ian > Murdoch's description of the plans followed by some hints on how well > financed ProgenyLinux.com is. namespaces for 2.4 are essentially trivial at that point - it will take a cleanup of ->readdir() interface to make union-mounts possible and we will be there; adding GC into mntput(9) and copying the tree in do_fork(9) is a one-day hack and the real problem is to kill ->ioctl() on directories and get rid of passing struct file* to ->readdir(). That, in turn, depends on credentials cache being in place. All infrastructure for namespace handling is already there, so if these guys want to do the last steps - fine, but I'ld like to look at their code. It involves interface changes and such things should be done right or not at all. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW 2000-07-27 18:05 ` [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW Richard Uhtenwoldt 2000-07-27 18:42 ` Alexander Viro @ 2000-07-27 20:30 ` Scott Schwartz 2000-07-27 20:46 ` Alexander Viro 2000-07-27 20:49 ` Boyd Roberts 1 sibling, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Scott Schwartz @ 2000-07-27 20:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Is Linux NOW what Scott was thinking of? No, I was thinking of Alexander Viro and his collaborators, who, if I understand correctly, were going to add 9p and (some kind of) namespaces to the regular linux kernel. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW 2000-07-27 20:30 ` Scott Schwartz @ 2000-07-27 20:46 ` Alexander Viro 2000-07-27 20:49 ` Boyd Roberts 1 sibling, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Alexander Viro @ 2000-07-27 20:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Scott Schwartz wrote: > > Is Linux NOW what Scott was thinking of? > > No, I was thinking of Alexander Viro and his collaborators, who, if I > understand correctly, were going to add 9p and (some kind of) namespaces > to the regular linux kernel. 9p support isn't mine - Roman is doing it and looks like his stuff works against u9fs these days. Namespaces... Well, see previous posting. I have no contacts with the Progeny guys, and as the matter of fact I had not seen anything from them. Neither on fsdevel nor on l-k. Hell knows, they may be for real - there's not much work left, so I certainly would not be surprised to see such patches. However, they will have to do an accurate work with changing ->readdir(). And since we are in <cough> code freeze, such a change is not likely to go into 2.4.0-release. It certainly will go into VFS-CURRENT. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW 2000-07-27 20:30 ` Scott Schwartz 2000-07-27 20:46 ` Alexander Viro @ 2000-07-27 20:49 ` Boyd Roberts 2000-07-27 21:15 ` Alexander Viro 1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Boyd Roberts @ 2000-07-27 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans yeah, just a bit more code in linux and then we'd really have something -- a bigger piece of shit than we already have. you do MORE with LESS. -- Boyd Roberts boyd@psycho-basket-case.org ``I come over here to kill them cocksuckers, not work for 'em'' -- Moon Dog, _Pettibone's Law_, John Keene ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schwartz <schwartz@bio.cse.psu.edu> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW > > Is Linux NOW what Scott was thinking of? > > No, I was thinking of Alexander Viro and his collaborators, who, if I > understand correctly, were going to add 9p and (some kind of) namespaces > to the regular linux kernel. > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW 2000-07-27 20:49 ` Boyd Roberts @ 2000-07-27 21:15 ` Alexander Viro 2000-07-27 21:49 ` Richard 2000-07-27 22:09 ` Boyd Roberts 0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Alexander Viro @ 2000-07-27 21:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Boyd Roberts, 9fans On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Boyd Roberts wrote: > yeah, just a bit more code in linux and then we'd really have > something -- a bigger piece of shit than we already have. _less_ code, please. And you are apparently confusing the thing with GNU. > you do MORE with LESS. You know, that bright idea occured to many people. It would be really fine if you would manage to learn arcane utilities called find(1), wc(1) and tar(1) and took a look at 2.2 and 2.4. Particulary, at the subtree called "fs". IOW, getting some clue before posting is usually a good idea. Keeping advocacy in the gutter where it belongs is also considered a Good Thing(tm). PS: let's not go into DSW on Linux LI, OK? I really can bring more examples of its suckitude than you will ever be able to. Honest. BT,DT,fixed quite a few of them. Al "-15kLOC during the last year" Viro ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW 2000-07-27 21:15 ` Alexander Viro @ 2000-07-27 21:49 ` Richard 2000-07-27 22:01 ` Alexander Viro 2000-07-27 22:09 ` Boyd Roberts 1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Richard @ 2000-07-27 21:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Alexander Viro writes: >PS: let's not go into DSW on Linux LI Please define "DSW on Linux LI". Is "DSW" "distributed software"? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW 2000-07-27 21:49 ` Richard @ 2000-07-27 22:01 ` Alexander Viro 0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Alexander Viro @ 2000-07-27 22:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Richard wrote: > Alexander Viro writes: > > >PS: let's not go into DSW on Linux LI > > Please define "DSW on Linux LI". > > Is "DSW" "distributed software"? LI: Lovelace Index. Lovelace: unit of suckitude. This is defined as: One Lovelace is the amount of force (measured in dynes) it takes to draw a round ball weighing e Troy Ounces down a tube it fits exactly (in air) at a speed of pi attoparsecs/microfortnight. Meaning of DSW is left as an exercise for reader. No, not "delete from switches"... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW 2000-07-27 21:15 ` Alexander Viro 2000-07-27 21:49 ` Richard @ 2000-07-27 22:09 ` Boyd Roberts 2000-07-27 22:30 ` Alexander Viro 1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Boyd Roberts @ 2000-07-27 22:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alexander Viro; +Cc: 9fans _learn_ them BOZO? he'll i've grown up with 'em. man i've forgotten more clues than you'll _ever_ learn. you _tried_ to fix linux? that says a _lot_. 207:boyd:boyd: -- Boyd Roberts boyd@psycho-basket-case.org ``I come over here to kill them cocksuckers, not work for 'em'' -- Moon Dog, _Pettibone's Law_, John Keene ----- Original Message ----- From: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu> To: Boyd Roberts <boyd@planete.net>; <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW > > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Boyd Roberts wrote: > > > yeah, just a bit more code in linux and then we'd really have > > something -- a bigger piece of shit than we already have. > > _less_ code, please. And you are apparently confusing the thing with GNU. > > > you do MORE with LESS. > > You know, that bright idea occured to many people. It would be really fine > if you would manage to learn arcane utilities called find(1), wc(1) and > tar(1) and took a look at 2.2 and 2.4. Particulary, at the subtree called > "fs". > > IOW, getting some clue before posting is usually a good idea. Keeping > advocacy in the gutter where it belongs is also considered a Good > Thing(tm). > > PS: let's not go into DSW on Linux LI, OK? I really can bring more > examples of its suckitude than you will ever be able to. Honest. > BT,DT,fixed quite a few of them. > > Al "-15kLOC during the last year" Viro > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW 2000-07-27 22:09 ` Boyd Roberts @ 2000-07-27 22:30 ` Alexander Viro 2000-07-27 22:39 ` Boyd Roberts 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Alexander Viro @ 2000-07-27 22:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Boyd Roberts; +Cc: 9fans On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Boyd Roberts wrote: > _learn_ them BOZO? he'll i've grown up with 'em. I stand amazed. Such a wonderful imitation of clueless advocate... > man i've forgotten more clues than you'll _ever_ learn. Including ones on the normal ways to quote? Figures... > you _tried_ to fix linux? that says a _lot_. Why not? After 4.4, -Reno, 4.2 and a couple of v7 clones? Yet another kernel. In some respects shittier, in some - better. Definitely has VFS with a potential to become really decent. Moronic advocates? Sure. Wish they would go and play in a traffic, but it's not going to happen ;-/ That sort of lusers always had been around. [snip the original posting, quoted in whole] -- Fairy Tails start "Once upon a time." Army/Sea stories start "This is no shit." Software proposals start "1.0." Joe Zeff in the Monastery ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW 2000-07-27 22:30 ` Alexander Viro @ 2000-07-27 22:39 ` Boyd Roberts 2000-07-27 22:55 ` [9fans] Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu> Boyd Roberts 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Boyd Roberts @ 2000-07-27 22:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alexander Viro; +Cc: 9fans ----- Original Message ----- From: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu> To: Boyd Roberts <boyd@planete.net> Cc: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW > > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Boyd Roberts wrote: > > > _learn_ them BOZO? he'll i've grown up with 'em. > > I stand amazed. Such a wonderful imitation of clueless advocate... > > > man i've forgotten more clues than you'll _ever_ learn. > > Including ones on the normal ways to quote? Figures... > > > you _tried_ to fix linux? that says a _lot_. > > Why not? After 4.4, -Reno, 4.2 and a couple of v7 clones? Yet another > kernel. In some respects shittier, in some - better. Definitely has VFS > with a potential to become really decent. Moronic advocates? Sure. Wish > they would go and play in a traffic, but it's not going to happen ;-/ > That sort of lusers always had been around. > > [snip the original posting, quoted in whole] > > -- > Fairy Tails start "Once upon a time." > Army/Sea stories start "This is no shit." > Software proposals start "1.0." > Joe Zeff in the Monastery > > man, you got a serious insecurity problem. i only replied with a call to authority because you acted like a child. i got nothin' to proove. maybe you should learn that lesson. thing that strikes me is that ken (and others) could act like total arseholes because of what they have done. this is not the case. they are amoung the finest human beings on the planet. -- Boyd Roberts boyd@psycho-basket-case.org ``I come over here to kill them cocksuckers, not work for 'em'' -- Moon Dog, _Pettibone's Law_, John Keene ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* [9fans] Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu> 2000-07-27 22:39 ` Boyd Roberts @ 2000-07-27 22:55 ` Boyd Roberts 2000-07-27 23:09 ` Alexander Viro 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Boyd Roberts @ 2000-07-27 22:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans 9fans is not a place for flame wars. my replies were in reaction to what i'd been sent. make yer own decision. -- Boyd Roberts boyd@psycho-basket-case.org ``I come over here to kill them cocksuckers, not work for 'em'' -- Moon Dog, _Pettibone's Law_, John Keene ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu> 2000-07-27 22:55 ` [9fans] Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu> Boyd Roberts @ 2000-07-27 23:09 ` Alexander Viro 2000-07-28 0:02 ` Boyd Roberts 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Alexander Viro @ 2000-07-27 23:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Boyd Roberts, 9fans On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Boyd Roberts wrote: > 9fans is not a place for flame wars. my replies were in > reaction to what i'd been sent. make yer own decision. Great. So let's take this idiocy to private email or, better yet, to /dev/null. My apologies to folks on the list - that crap should go to /dev/null from the very beginning. I've got really sick and tired of that "luser by proxy" thing and it happened to push the button. Sorry about that. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu> 2000-07-27 23:09 ` Alexander Viro @ 2000-07-28 0:02 ` Boyd Roberts 0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Boyd Roberts @ 2000-07-28 0:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alexander Viro, 9fans we call it quits and get on with the job, deal? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW [not found] <ru@ohio.river.org> 2000-07-27 18:05 ` [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW Richard Uhtenwoldt @ 2000-08-02 21:57 ` Tom Duff 2000-08-02 22:02 ` Tom Duff 2 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Tom Duff @ 2000-08-02 21:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans -- Tom Duff. I don't know what this block of code does. It seems to serve no purpose, but if I remove it, the program stops working. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW [not found] <ru@ohio.river.org> 2000-07-27 18:05 ` [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW Richard Uhtenwoldt 2000-08-02 21:57 ` [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW Tom Duff @ 2000-08-02 22:02 ` Tom Duff 2000-08-03 8:35 ` Boyd Roberts 2 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Tom Duff @ 2000-08-02 22:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > >PS: let's not go into DSW on Linux LI > > Please define "DSW on Linux LI". > > Is "DSW" "distributed software"? dsw(I) (from my 5th edition manual, in later editions dsw was replaced by rm -i): NAME dsw -- delete interactively SYNOPSIS dsw [directory] DESCRIPTION For each file in the given directory (`.' if not specified) dsw types its name. If y is typed, the file is deleted; if x, dsw exits; if new-line, the file is not deleted; if anything else, dsw asks again. SEE ALSO rm(I) BUGS The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its etymology is amusing. -- Tom Duff. Are you being served? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW 2000-08-02 22:02 ` Tom Duff @ 2000-08-03 8:35 ` Boyd Roberts 0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Boyd Roberts @ 2000-08-03 8:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: td, 9fans dsw? yer gonna need a pdp11 :) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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From: dhog @ 2000-08-02 22:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
td@pixar.com writes:
> > >PS: let's not go into DSW on Linux LI
> >
> > Please define "DSW on Linux LI".
> >
> > Is "DSW" "distributed software"?
>
> dsw(I) (from my 5th edition manual, in later editions dsw
> was replaced by rm -i):
>
> NAME
> dsw -- delete interactively
Ahh. I thought it stood for "dick size wars".
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* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW @ 2000-08-03 5:12 forsyth 2000-08-03 5:57 ` Alexander Viro ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: forsyth @ 2000-08-03 5:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >>NAME >> dsw -- delete interactively ... >>BUGS >> The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its >> etymology is amusing. `delete from switches' if memory serves (ie, file name placed in console switches) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW 2000-08-03 5:12 forsyth @ 2000-08-03 5:57 ` Alexander Viro 2000-08-03 16:00 ` Tom Duff 2000-08-03 16:06 ` Tom Duff 2 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Alexander Viro @ 2000-08-03 5:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk wrote: > >>NAME > >> dsw -- delete interactively > ... > >>BUGS > >> The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its > >> etymology is amusing. > > `delete from switches' if memory serves (ie, file name placed in console switches) Was it a name or inumber? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW 2000-08-03 5:12 forsyth 2000-08-03 5:57 ` Alexander Viro @ 2000-08-03 16:00 ` Tom Duff 2000-08-03 16:06 ` Tom Duff 2 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Tom Duff @ 2000-08-03 16:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans -- Tom Duff. Haddocks' Eyes. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW 2000-08-03 5:12 forsyth 2000-08-03 5:57 ` Alexander Viro 2000-08-03 16:00 ` Tom Duff @ 2000-08-03 16:06 ` Tom Duff 2000-08-04 9:18 ` Boyd Roberts 2 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Tom Duff @ 2000-08-03 16:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Aug 3, 6:12am, forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk wrote: > `delete from switches' if memory serves (ie, file > name placed in console switches) >From memory: It was the I-number that was entered in the switches. The original dsw read the switches, printed the file name (I think) and dumped core. This was in an ancient Unix version in which core files were restartable. So you typed `core' to remove the file! (The purpose of the program was to get rid of files whose names contained untypable characters.) Somewhere I have an autographed (by dmr) copy of the original dsw source code. -- Tom Duff. Haddocks' Eyes. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Progeny Linux's Linux NOW 2000-08-03 16:06 ` Tom Duff @ 2000-08-04 9:18 ` Boyd Roberts 0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Boyd Roberts @ 2000-08-04 9:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: td, 9fans yep i-num from the switches. never used it but i remember the history. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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