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From: "Wes Kussmaul" <wes@village.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] datakit
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:06:04 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <00d701c486b6$73917960$6400a8c0@americasgc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aa77f8afc54f41306bc38b693b325edc@vitanuova.com>


> like many successors WS begins to make
> some of the worst cursed predecessors start to look good:
> a vast and growing collection of incomplete complexity,

Quote from VARBusiness cited in a recent book ;):

"Seek out security solutions that are complex
and require additional software and hardware."

Widget-driven economics and a military view of security encourage
complexity. Journalists often assume that the complexity is unintended. It's
not. It's a means to keep the customer down on the plantation and utterly
dependent.

> the curious thing about the rise of complexity this time is
> that as far as i can tell, there seems to be no significant
> counter-culture to it, as there has been in times past.

Professional obfuscators and FUD-complexifiers get better at their craft, as
we all do. They learn how to diminish the influence of their adversaries.

> ``where you gonna go?  where you gonna run? ...''

I know that ID-PKI appears to be a contributor to complexity. Done properly,
it is just the opposite. Please take another look.

> i say that in the hopes that someone will say:
> it's just building up momentum over here ...

It's building up momentum over here.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-08-20 13:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-19 15:11 Steve Simon
2004-08-20  1:35 ` geoff
2004-08-20  1:52   ` George Michaelson
2004-08-20  2:43     ` geoff
2004-08-20  3:09       ` George Michaelson
2004-08-20  5:46         ` geoff
2004-08-21  0:33           ` ron minnich
2004-08-21  4:51             ` boyd, rounin
2004-08-21 14:22             ` Brantley Coile
2004-08-22  9:50               ` Tim Newsham
2004-08-23  2:50               ` ron minnich
2004-08-20 14:13         ` boyd, rounin
2004-08-20  9:45       ` C H Forsyth
2004-08-20 12:55         ` Long Political Rant. Was: [Re: [9fans] datakit] Dave Lukes
2004-08-20 16:45           ` Jack Johnson
2004-08-20 16:59             ` rog
2004-08-20 13:06         ` Wes Kussmaul [this message]
2004-08-20 16:51         ` [9fans] datakit Skip Tavakkolian
2004-08-20 17:07           ` rog
2004-08-22 19:06             ` Jack Johnson
2004-08-20 18:41           ` boyd, rounin
2004-08-21 16:37             ` Boris Maryshev
2004-08-21 17:19             ` Boris Maryshev
2004-08-20  3:30     ` ron minnich
2004-08-20 14:24       ` boyd, rounin
2004-08-23 15:04         ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-08-23 15:27           ` ron minnich
2004-08-20 13:48   ` boyd, rounin
2004-08-20  5:05 dmr
2004-08-20  5:35 ` George Michaelson

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