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From: David Lukes <davel@luchie-chowchows.demon.co.uk>
To: "Douglas A. Gwyn" <DAGwyn@null.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] software quality and popularity
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Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:34:11 +0100
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> It is an example of a long-standing and well-known mistake
> in interface design, which *should* be one of the things
> that is "rethought" in Plan 9.  If you guys didn't keep
> implying that the only rationally-designed software is
> that in Plan 9, I might be more tolerant of your mistakes.

Personally I think an apology is warranted.
1) While it may be a "mistake" in your opinion,
   I personally think that, while it ain't perfect,
   a) it works
   b) it has no untoward side effects other than
      a slight loss of efficiency
      (if someone does a wstat with no changes,
       the worst they get is a superfluous "fsync"),
2) You should first remove the plank from your own eye,
   as shown by Mr. Hogan.
3) In all they years since V6,
   I have seen evidence that those "guys" have many qualities,
   but I have never seen anything which suggests that
   they believe in their own infallibility.

Cheers,
	Dave.

P.S. Thank you for finding a use for the expression
     "Hoist on his own petard".