From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <018e01c345bd$17d6e280$d2944251@insultant.net> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <3B9042CE-B1A7-11D7-A840-000393D34A62@orthanc.ab.ca> <016201c345b7$c60edb60$d2944251@insultant.net> <20030709013624.15241.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pop3 before smtp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 03:54:54 +0200 Topicbox-Message-UUID: efad0ea8-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 > It's a popular kludge. And you don't need it > if your SMTP server is willing to authenticate local users. oh i see. thanks for the clarification, but the whole thing is nonsense. as i said before: good crypto is never OT clear text tcp auth needs to be replaced by something like styx. i'll send my pop password in the clear to the server 'cos what have i have got to lose? coupla bits of random mail that get pulled off the pop server every few minutes. it's time for a re-think, no? i am unsure how to do this, but it's gotta be a lot more interesting than bitching about how shell metacharacter expansion doesn't/does work on the other side of an i/o redirection [modulo your acid flashback of 'the shell'].