From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriel_D=EDaz?= To: "'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs'" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <45EF5CB6.4040902@gmail.com> <19652.1173689144@lunacy.ugrad.cs.cmu.edu> <56a297000703132126x4ffcad00s70f85c25815fbae8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <56a297000703132126x4ffcad00s70f85c25815fbae8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: [9fans] interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:06:48 +0100 Message-ID: <01c301c765fe$f5d787f0$e18697d0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Message-UUID: 22e28004-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Hello >>From tip9ug mail list: http://www.wakhok.ac.jp/~kida/plan9/acmewin/ slds gabi -----Mensaje original----- De: 9fans-bounces+gabidiaz=3Dgmail.com@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-bounces+gabidiaz=3Dgmail.com@cse.psu.edu] En nombre de = Noah Evans Enviado el: mi=E9rcoles, 14 de marzo de 2007 5:26 Para: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Asunto: Re: [9fans] interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or = inferno I think the root of the bias against rio is that it isn't "pretty". I was joking when I talked about gradients and rounded corners, but I'm willing to bet that if rio did have cute windows, anti-aliased fonts and little whirry 3d doo dads that a lot of the complaints about it would disappear. I was serious about screencasts though. If there were actual, watchable examples of the way acme worked and tools gurus did things then I think people would start to "get" plan 9 more. Noah On 3/12/07, Dave Eckhardt wrote: > > I'm really with Minnich on this one. The GUI is what *everyone* > > complains about and it's always the *first* thing they complain > > about. I deal with pretty intelligent people in the security > > community and they can't handle Rio and don't want to. > > In response, a serious, non-flame, question: what's the realistic > alternative? It would be possible, if arduous, to replace rio with > a clone of, say, fvwm. But what about fluxbox and icewm and sawfish > and windowmaker and enlightenment? Is "the problem" really rio per > se, or is the problem that for each person rio isn't the thing they > already use? > > I guess my question translates into "Is there *one* X window manager > which, if cloned for Plan 9, would solve the 'rio problem'?". > > Dave Eckhardt > > P.S. And I guess the follow-on question is "Would that window manager > be sufficient, or are bash and turning vt into xterm necessary too?". >