Re: [9fans] spam rejection after reception does have limits

["boyd, rounin" <boyd@insultant.net>]

> Choate is quite correct <default disclaimer> that the solution is
> not a technological one, but a social one.

nonsense, he thinks like an american; litigation being the 'solution'.

> ignore it, which still applies, in spades.

ignore it?  how do do you ignore it whenit is thrown in your mailbox
and some of it is just plain harrassment.

> Not reject it, not get angry about it, simply ignore it, as early
> as possible.

it's a 'no can do'.

> Choate suggests legal recourse, within the existing system.  Again,
> harrassment could be used, I think it would work if one could target
> the perpetrator rather than some innocent, unwitting victim.

you can't target the T -- that is the root of the problem.  the Received:
headers give you a clue, but they are by no means certain.

> Our job is to provide the tools that make prosecution possible,
> together with the features that diminish unprosecuted/unprosecutable
> harrassment to a level where communication is not worse than lack
> of communication.  But the objective will be to get rid of SPAM
> and e-mail viruses altogether, whether attainable or not.

no, i know when to use a technical solution and when to use a
legal/political one.  in this case a technical solution would work.

in any case the courts don't really recognise a stream of, completely
forgable, bits as any form of proof:  eg. al capone finally got done
for _tax evasion_, rather than hist other 'activities'.

litigation is a fools game.  read _the justice game_:

    http://www.portia.org/books/jgame.html

> PS: I don't have a problem with each mail recipient acting as its
> own CA and issuing certificates left, right and centre that can be
> used to further certify agents on behalf of the sender.  X.509's
> certification hierarchy allows for this and it may be best employed
> as a certification audit trail.

you don't understand the the faults of PKI.  issuing certs left right and
center breaks the 'trust'.  paying money to root CA's (which i don't trust)
is a waste of money and time.

look at the bastion of security Verisad (sic).  since the wildcard A records
where installed spam has skyrocketed and so has the discussion about
it on 9fans.

like my man dave [not presotto] told me that 'i' should 'cut that shit out'.

however, since i got spamoff to go [@sdgm.net], which included filling
up dan's proc table once, the thousands of spam just get flung back
at 'em and then they bounce and then they get trashed, rather than
filling up /mail/box/boyd/mbox, which keeps me (and i suppose dan)
happy.  it chews up resources, but it doesn't fill /n/dump.