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[172.125.77.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y18sm8191330ooj.20.2020.11.23.14.46.32 for <9fans@9fans.net> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 23 Nov 2020 14:46:32 -0800 (PST) From: Bakul Shah Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_82FDD108-3F96-4023-A54E-FEE64113924B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.20.0.2.21\)) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 14:46:31 -0800 References: To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <051D1E91-C6AA-4258-8956-81368FC74CC3@iitbombay.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.20.0.2.21) Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: c0463b7a-2ddd-11eb-af68-c4f0fabb80e3 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNDRlNjNiMDg0YTg2MzUxYi1NZDUxNWUyZTk0MWVmM2UwOWZmNzFl?= =?UTF-8?B?MWZmPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: [9fans] node-red Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Md515e2e941ef3e09ff71e1ff:1:X2u39yYAa9Y8Arb-0PeV6m_bfjFhlQ-fwXTHwJc_SCA --Apple-Mail=_82FDD108-3F96-4023-A54E-FEE64113924B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I saw a comment on Hackaday by someone who uses 25 Pis (all running node-re= d) on a manufacturing line 24/7, producing ~60K parts a day. Another commen= ter talked about a setup involving 100 or so Pis on shop floor. Lots of peo= ple using pi+node-red combination for all sorts of things. Looks like one c= an work around Pi's shortcomings if there is a real app! Something like node-red would be a fun project for plan9. With a graph edit= or as a frontend - I suspect sure such a thing doesn't exist for plan9.=20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGeN7g4bdHiM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Node-RED https://nodered.org/ > On Nov 22, 2020, at 2:48 AM, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote: >=20 > i should not have said anything >=20 > [11561053.235151] xhci_hcd 0000:01:00.0: @000000001ed0c6e0 00000000 > 00000000 0e000000 02048000 > [11572206.218075] Under-voltage detected! (0x00050005) > [11572207.738154] bcmgenet fd580000.genet eth0: Link is Down > [11572211.898285] bcmgenet fd580000.genet eth0: Link is Up - > 1Gbps/Full - flow control off > [11572212.458226] Voltage normalised (0x00000000) > [11585621.202242] xhci_hcd 0000:01:00.0: ERROR Transfer event for > disabled endpoint slot 2 ep 3 >=20 > gonna move back to my seagate dockstar (kirkwood) for this thing :( > at least then the rpi is free for a stateless 9front terminal again > (easier to reboot when there's problems like the above :() >=20 > On 11/14/20, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com > wrote: >> well they have FCC compliance, so i'd hope it's just internal >> interference due to lack of rf separation on the board. unless the fcc >> test is so busted that they were able to activate a less-problematic >> pixel clock and never tried the full possible range? :D >>=20 >> since i don't have a github account i don't think they will listen to >> me about my issues with the device. >>=20 >> but anyway they should hire an RF engineer and not me. if they tried >> the common combinations at all they should have noticed themselves, no >> ? >>=20 >> i have been using 4k@60hz when i experienced my problem, bluetooth >> cannot be switched to 5ghz. >>=20 >> i'm just happy it works at all, i was just gonna return it otherwise >> like i did with the earlier rpi version. don't have time to make >> bug-wishlists for future raspberry christmas trees (took them 8 years >> already to make the first rpi with working ethernet+usb). >>=20 >> On 11/14/20, Bakul Shah wrote: >>> There were reports of 2560x1440 res generating RF noise in the 2.4GHz >>> band >>> wifi channel 1. The proposed solution (by Eben Upton) was to use channel >>> 4 >>> or higher or use 5GHz wifi band at this res. And supposedly there is a >>> firmware fix for this. No idea about the bluetooth issue. You should >>> report >>> these issues either on their forum or one of their github repos. >>>=20 >>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 7:14 AM, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> =EF=BB=BFwell, for me hdmi reliably stops working when i turn on the b= luetooth >>>> keyboard and versa. >>>> clearly RF interference was none of their concern when they made this >>>> chip. >>>> if your monitor suggests a different pixel clock you might get lucky >>>> and it's just good enough, but your signal quality is gonna suffer no >>>> matter what >=20 > ------------------------------------------ > 9fans: 9fans > Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Te91377223453b8c0-M320= 6bd878f444f406e0fb927 > Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T44e63b084a86351b-Md515e= 2e941ef3e09ff71e1ff Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --Apple-Mail=_82FDD108-3F96-4023-A54E-FEE64113924B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" I saw a comm= ent on Hackaday by someone who uses 25 Pis (all running node-red) on a manu= facturing line 24/7, producing ~60K parts a day. Another commenter talked a= bout a setup involving 100 or so Pis on shop floor. Lots of people using pi= +node-red combination for all sorts of things. Looks like one can work arou= nd Pi's shortcomings if there is a real app!

Something like node-red would be a fun projec= t for plan9. With a graph editor as a frontend - I suspect sure such a thin= g doesn't exist for plan9. 

=
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGeN7g4bdHiM
h= ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Node-RED
https://nodered.org/

On Nov 22, 2020, at 2:48 AM, hiro = <23hiro@gmail.com>= wrote:

i should not have said anything=

[11561053.235151] xhci_hcd 0000:01:00.0: @= 000000001ed0c6e0 00000000
00000000 0e000000 02048000
[11572206.218075] Under-voltage detected! (0x000= 50005)
[11572= 207.738154] bcmgenet fd580000.genet eth0: Link is Down
[11572211.898285] bcmgenet fd5800= 00.genet eth0: Link is Up -
1Gbps/Full - flow control off
[11572212.458226] Voltage normalised (0x000= 00000)
[11585= 621.202242] xhci_hcd 0000:01:00.0: ERROR Transfer event for
disabled endpoint slot 2 ep = 3

gonna move back to my seagate dockstar = (kirkwood) for this thing :(
at least then the rpi is free for a stateless 9front termin= al again
(eas= ier to reboot when there's problems like the above :()

On 11/14/20, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
well they have FCC compliance, so i'd hope it&= #39;s just internal
interference due to lack of rf separati= on on the board. unless the fcc
test is so busted that they= were able to activate a less-problematic
pixel clock and n= ever tried the full possible range? :D

sin= ce i don't have a github account i don't think they will listen to<= br class=3D"" />me about my issues with the device.

but anyway they should hire an RF engineer and not me. if they tr= ied
the common combinations at all they should have noticed= themselves, no
?

i have b= een using 4k@60hz when i experienced my problem, bluetooth
= cannot be switched to 5ghz.

i'm just h= appy it works at all, i was just gonna return it otherwise
= like i did with the earlier rpi version. don't have time to make
bug-wishlists for future raspberry christmas trees (took them 8 y= ears
already to make the first rpi with working ethernet+us= b).

On 11/14/20, Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org> wrote= :
There were reports o= f 2560x1440 res generating RF noise in the 2.4GHz
band
wifi channel 1. The proposed solution (by Eben Upton) was to us= e channel
4
or higher or use 5GHz wifi band= at this res. And supposedly there is a
firmware fix for th= is. No idea about the bluetooth issue. You should
reportthese issues either on their forum or one of their github rep= os.

O= n Nov 14, 2020, at 7:14 AM, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:

&= #xFEFF;well, for me hdmi reliably stops working when i turn on the bluetoot= h
keyboard and versa.
clearly RF interferen= ce was none of their concern when they made this
chip.
if your monitor suggests a different pixel clock you might get = lucky
and it's just good enough, but your signal qualit= y is gonna suffer no
matter what

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