Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

[Eris Discordia <eris.discordia@gmail.com>]

> Wrong on so many levels.

Go read the responses 9people gave the original poster. You'll see why it's 
_right_ on so many levels.

> Plan 9 obeys the UNIX way: tools that make jobs simpler.

A UNIX better than UNIX? I thought that was just the thing 9people claimed 
to be past. Didn't I hear someone saying, "Plan 9 is not UNIX?" Ahem... 
GNU's Not UNIX, too, nah?

> "Everything is a UTF-8 [...]"

Do me a favor. Fire up your beloved upas, use mail, and relay one email 
through upas/smtpd to smtp.gmail.com:587 with the words "שָׁלוֹם 
עֲלֵיכֶם" (Hebrew, Shalom aleichem) or "سلام علیکم" 
(Arabic, Salam-on alaikom) to my address. Let's see if "the mail goes 
through."

> "Everything is a UTF-8 text file or a mountable filesystem, even devices
> and severs" encourages transparency of modules: you can copy a file from
> a Gopher network in Tokyo to a mobile phone from Mexico or have the
> filesystem report how much free space is left without running a million
> commands or typing a thousand lines of code.

The path from Gopher to your PC--or it was a Mac that you had?--was paved 
years ago on UNIX. Then the path from Tokyo to Mexico was built on UNIX, 
and today it _runs_ on UNIX. Now, the real problem begins when you want to 
get your cell phone to talk 9P-over-IP.

Do you have a 9P client for your cell phone? You "wrote" it already? Does 
it run on Java? Or Symbian? Or Vendor X's proprietary embedded OS? Did you 
do it on Plan 9? Or did you snatch an SDK written for some other livelier 
OS?

Go fool someone else with your empty rhetoric, buddy.

> If you are not like that, leave.

No, I _am_ not like that. I also _don't_ like that. And I've left. The post 
was not for you to chew on, it was for the benefit of the thread's 
originator.


--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:25 PM -0400 Pietro Gagliardi 
<pietro10@mac.com> wrote:

> On Aug 19, 2008, at 6:00 PM, Eris Discordia wrote:
>
>> That's the gist of responses you've received before this one. I've
>> gone through these 9ish episodes twice. Plan 9 and the related
>> software just isn't for someone who wants to Get Their Job Done
>> (tm). It's a "research" platform for those who want to "tell" other
>> people what they should do and how they should do it and why any
>> other way would be "sacrilege." No wonder it has remained as
>> minuscule and insignificant--9people tell you it's "nimble," don't
>> believe them--as it is after like 24 years of "development."
>
> Wrong on so many levels. Plan 9 lets you Get The Job Done(TM), but in a
> completely different way from *your* approach. Plan 9 obeys the UNIX way:
> tools that make jobs simpler. This is augmented by 33 libraries that
> provide common utilities in a transparent way. "Everything is a UTF-8
> text file or a mountable filesystem, even devices and severs" encourages
> transparency of modules: you can copy a file from a Gopher network to a
> mobile phone or without running a million commands. If you are not like
> that, leave.
>
>