From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:51:41 +0100 From: Eris Discordia To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <0657ECBD7EA56D387C67DA6E@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor Topicbox-Message-UUID: 003423c6-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Wrong on so many levels. Go read the responses 9people gave the original poster. You'll see why it's = _right_ on so many levels. > Plan 9 obeys the UNIX way: tools that make jobs simpler. A UNIX better than UNIX? I thought that was just the thing 9people claimed=20 to be past. Didn't I hear someone saying, "Plan 9 is not UNIX?" Ahem...=20 GNU's Not UNIX, too, nah? > "Everything is a UTF-8 [...]" Do me a favor. Fire up your beloved upas, use mail, and relay one email=20 through upas/smtpd to smtp.gmail.com:587 with the words = "=D7=A9=D6=B8=D7=81=D7=9C=D7=95=D6=B9=D7=9D=20 =D7=A2=D6=B2=D7=9C=D6=B5=D7=99=D7=9B=D6=B6=D7=9D" (Hebrew, Shalom aleichem) = or "=D8=B3=D9=84=D8=A7=D9=85 =D8=B9=D9=84=DB=8C=DA=A9=D9=85"=20 (Arabic, Salam-on alaikom) to my address. Let's see if "the mail goes=20 through." > "Everything is a UTF-8 text file or a mountable filesystem, even devices > and severs" encourages transparency of modules: you can copy a file from > a Gopher network in Tokyo to a mobile phone from Mexico or have the > filesystem report how much free space is left without running a million > commands or typing a thousand lines of code. The path from Gopher to your PC--or it was a Mac that you had?--was paved=20 years ago on UNIX. Then the path from Tokyo to Mexico was built on UNIX,=20 and today it _runs_ on UNIX. Now, the real problem begins when you want to=20 get your cell phone to talk 9P-over-IP. Do you have a 9P client for your cell phone? You "wrote" it already? Does=20 it run on Java? Or Symbian? Or Vendor X's proprietary embedded OS? Did you=20 do it on Plan 9? Or did you snatch an SDK written for some other livelier=20 OS? Go fool someone else with your empty rhetoric, buddy. > If you are not like that, leave. No, I _am_ not like that. I also _don't_ like that. And I've left. The post = was not for you to chew on, it was for the benefit of the thread's=20 originator. --On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:25 PM -0400 Pietro Gagliardi=20 wrote: > On Aug 19, 2008, at 6:00 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: > >> That's the gist of responses you've received before this one. I've >> gone through these 9ish episodes twice. Plan 9 and the related >> software just isn't for someone who wants to Get Their Job Done >> (tm). It's a "research" platform for those who want to "tell" other >> people what they should do and how they should do it and why any >> other way would be "sacrilege." No wonder it has remained as >> minuscule and insignificant--9people tell you it's "nimble," don't >> believe them--as it is after like 24 years of "development." > > Wrong on so many levels. Plan 9 lets you Get The Job Done(TM), but in a > completely different way from *your* approach. Plan 9 obeys the UNIX way: > tools that make jobs simpler. This is augmented by 33 libraries that > provide common utilities in a transparent way. "Everything is a UTF-8 > text file or a mountable filesystem, even devices and severs" encourages > transparency of modules: you can copy a file from a Gopher network to a > mobile phone or without running a million commands. If you are not like > that, leave. > >