From: "Boyd Roberts" <boyd@fr.inter.net>
To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] sam vs acme
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:00:14 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <071601c10fe5$d53a74f0$3cf7c6d4@SOMA> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <13268.995496915@apnic.net>
From: "George Michaelson" <ggm@apnic.net>
> I decided to try again with the FreeBSD port of sam, since I can't get
> p9 to boot on my boxen.
freeBSD port? just take the:
http://netlib.bell-labs.com/magic/netlib_find?db=0&pat=sam+pike
and do it. i've done it a zillion times. i think it's the
_first_ thing i do when faced with a new contract; spending time
to build an efficient environment pays off in the long term.
for the the linux zealots, after doing it for the nth time, i
put the Make.linux's at:
http://www.planete.net/~boyd/code/sam.Make.linux.bundle
> It makes well. It still assumes /usr/tmp exists which hasn't been true on
> BSD derived UNIX for some time, but is trivial to fix.
yes it is. who cares where /tmp is?
> Interestingly it remains true to the spirit of the car with one warning light
> labelled "?" since it dumped core, and I had to truss it to find what it was
> looking for that it couldn't find.
weird, it's been solid as a rock since i converted in 1992. i had been
using a copy of a gnarly X11 version that various people had done good
work with to get it to go -- you know who you are.
> 1) pay somebody (Boyd?) to stand behind you with a baseball bat
> and hit you HARD every time you press the wrong button, based
> on knowing motif derived or other X10/X11 and/or M$ influenced
> assumptions about mouse button modality and bindings.
nope. anyway, i prefer 9mm automatics:
http://home.fr.inter.net/boyd/targets/last.jpg
yeah, stuck on that 10m plateau.
just get in there and use it. took me a while to get to
grips with 'x' (i used to cheat with 's'). hitting people is
a waste of time. 'x' got my group free beer for delivering
on time this horrible DCE/RPC ENCINA VSAM mess. worst project
i'd even seen.
it was all ISO 9000 run. before i could use sam i had to write a test
spec and then a test report based on the test spec. that's before the
project leader told the great story how he had dinner, in paris, with
his wife, in a brassiere
err, no, brasserie [lit. brewery]. i nearly spat hot and sour
soup everywhere in some fit of hysteria.
> Also, some of the scrollbar behaviour and the split window behavior inside
> the sam window are (for me at least) counter intuitive: its very hard to
> work out what is a command input state and an edit state, there are'nt that
> many visual clues to what is being done, the scrollbar feedback is very scampy.
nah, the cerebellum picks that up pretty quickly.
> The choice of font is a royal pain.
i like constant width fonts, so my code lines up. but, it's a good
thing that sam copes with fonts correctly.
> I would also add that this mirrors my experience trying teco again a few
> weeks back:
weeks? been a long time since i used teco. 20+ years? i got involved
in some bug fixing of a port to a unix 11/45 some years later. i think
the 45 had sep I&D.
> I have to deal with the 1) and 2) problems ongoing. I can't afford Boyds
> retainer in quality Whiskey.
JD? i have half a bottle lying around.
apparently the going rate for ex-legionaires, as bodyguards, is less than
yer base level sysadmin in france. that was a bit of a shock. sysadmin
pays real well, but it's just as boring for an ex-code cutter as being
a bodyguard is for an ex-legionaire.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-07-19 0:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-07-10 10:32 rog
2001-07-10 10:43 ` Lucio De Re
2001-07-18 8:43 ` David Rubin
2001-07-18 21:17 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-18 21:40 ` Scott Schwartz
2001-07-18 21:51 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-18 22:55 ` George Michaelson
2001-07-18 23:00 ` Scott Schwartz
2001-07-19 15:34 ` Samterm panic (was Re: [9fans] sam vs acme) suspect
2001-07-19 16:00 ` Scott Schwartz
2001-07-20 8:54 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-19 0:00 ` Boyd Roberts [this message]
2001-07-19 0:12 ` [9fans] sam vs acme suspect
2001-07-19 0:14 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-20 8:54 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-20 9:47 ` George Michaelson
2001-07-20 10:08 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-20 16:44 ` Ozan Yigit
2001-07-20 21:57 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-10 16:04 ` [9fans] wily, acme, etc Ozan Yigit
2001-07-10 22:57 ` [9fans] sam vs acme Steve Kilbane
2001-07-10 23:23 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-11 6:55 ` Steve Kilbane
2001-07-11 13:24 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-11 21:20 ` Steve Kilbane
2001-07-12 10:36 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-12 8:31 ` Ozan Yigit
2001-07-12 10:38 ` Boyd Roberts
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-11-28 18:54 [9fans] Python filesystem Russ Cox
2001-11-28 19:09 ` Matt
2001-11-28 21:46 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29 12:24 ` Matt
2001-11-29 5:49 ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-29 6:30 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29 6:31 ` George Michaelson
2001-11-29 7:10 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29 11:26 ` Sam Holden
2001-12-06 16:56 ` Ralph Corderoy
2001-12-06 17:32 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29 10:50 ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-29 11:06 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-12-06 15:59 ` Ralph Corderoy
2001-11-29 7:21 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2001-11-29 7:32 ` Steve Kilbane
2001-12-03 22:39 ` Laura Creighton
2001-12-07 9:36 ` Ralph Corderoy
2001-12-07 14:07 ` Laura Creighton
2001-11-29 7:37 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29 11:10 ` Christopher Nielsen
2001-11-29 19:51 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2001-11-29 10:08 ` John Murdie
2001-11-29 10:37 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-11-29 12:03 ` Lucio De Re
2001-11-09 22:26 [9fans] Rant (was Re: Plan9 and Ada95?) David Gordon Hogan
2001-11-10 0:10 ` William Josephson
2001-11-10 8:29 ` Matthew Hannigan
2001-11-10 8:39 ` Andrey A Mirtchovski
2001-11-11 1:38 ` Steve Kilbane
2001-11-11 3:34 ` Dan Cross
2001-11-11 11:20 ` Steve Kilbane
2001-11-11 17:30 ` Dan Cross
2001-11-12 10:42 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-11-11 8:25 ` paurea
2001-11-11 17:31 ` Dan Cross
2001-09-21 14:04 [9fans] Plan 9 versus CORBA? Andrew Simmons
2001-09-21 14:25 ` andrey mirtchovski
2001-09-21 14:29 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-09-21 15:16 ` Scott Schwartz
2001-09-21 14:28 ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-09-24 8:51 ` Andrew Simmons
2001-09-24 16:25 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-24 22:43 ` George Michaelson
2001-09-24 22:54 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25 0:37 ` George Michaelson
2001-09-25 0:39 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25 0:55 ` George Michaelson
2001-09-25 1:00 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25 0:42 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25 0:56 ` George Michaelson
2001-09-25 1:00 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25 1:23 ` Scott Schwartz
2001-09-25 2:27 ` Dan Cross
2001-09-25 2:31 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-09-25 2:12 ` Dan Cross
2001-09-25 2:32 ` William Josephson
2001-10-01 9:51 ` Mike Warner
2001-09-21 14:33 ` Alexander Viro
2001-07-20 22:41 [9fans] sam vs acme forsyth
2001-07-20 21:55 rob pike
2001-07-23 8:54 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-24 22:13 ` paurea
2001-07-19 6:14 forsyth
2001-07-19 13:30 ` Theo Honohan
2001-07-19 22:18 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-19 14:45 ` Dan Cross
2001-07-18 23:57 rob pike
2001-07-19 0:03 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-19 3:20 ` Rick Hohensee
2001-07-20 21:19 ` Mike Haertel
2001-07-20 22:37 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-23 8:55 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-11 21:01 rog
2001-07-11 20:36 rob pike
2001-07-11 21:09 ` Dan Cross
2001-07-11 20:36 rog
2001-07-11 20:16 rob pike
[not found] <rob@plan9.bell-labs.com>
2001-07-11 19:22 ` rob pike
2001-07-11 20:08 ` James A. Robinson
[not found] <dhog@plan9.bell-labs.com>
2001-07-11 17:53 ` David Gordon Hogan
2001-07-11 19:19 ` James A. Robinson
2001-07-11 21:15 ` Steve Kilbane
2001-07-11 23:11 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-11 6:52 nemo
2001-06-28 23:52 David Gordon Hogan
2001-06-29 21:28 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-06-26 4:55 anothy
2001-06-25 23:59 rob pike
2001-06-26 0:14 ` Howard Trickey
2001-06-25 13:29 William Staniewicz
2001-06-25 7:45 Richard Miller
2001-06-25 7:10 nigel
2001-06-25 7:25 ` Matt
2001-06-28 23:04 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-06-25 1:08 jmk
2001-06-25 0:28 anothy
2001-07-10 9:00 ` Ozan Yigit
[not found] <aam396@mail.usask.ca>
2001-06-24 23:04 ` andrey mirtchovski
2001-06-24 22:14 ` Matt
2001-06-24 22:33 ` Scott Schwartz
2001-06-25 3:41 ` Dan Cross
2001-06-28 22:58 ` Boyd Roberts
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