From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <071601c10fe5$d53a74f0$3cf7c6d4@SOMA> From: "Boyd Roberts" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <13268.995496915@apnic.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] sam vs acme MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:00:14 +0200 Topicbox-Message-UUID: d0ac9868-eac9-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 From: "George Michaelson" > I decided to try again with the FreeBSD port of sam, since I can't get > p9 to boot on my boxen. freeBSD port? just take the: http://netlib.bell-labs.com/magic/netlib_find?db=0&pat=sam+pike and do it. i've done it a zillion times. i think it's the _first_ thing i do when faced with a new contract; spending time to build an efficient environment pays off in the long term. for the the linux zealots, after doing it for the nth time, i put the Make.linux's at: http://www.planete.net/~boyd/code/sam.Make.linux.bundle > It makes well. It still assumes /usr/tmp exists which hasn't been true on > BSD derived UNIX for some time, but is trivial to fix. yes it is. who cares where /tmp is? > Interestingly it remains true to the spirit of the car with one warning light > labelled "?" since it dumped core, and I had to truss it to find what it was > looking for that it couldn't find. weird, it's been solid as a rock since i converted in 1992. i had been using a copy of a gnarly X11 version that various people had done good work with to get it to go -- you know who you are. > 1) pay somebody (Boyd?) to stand behind you with a baseball bat > and hit you HARD every time you press the wrong button, based > on knowing motif derived or other X10/X11 and/or M$ influenced > assumptions about mouse button modality and bindings. nope. anyway, i prefer 9mm automatics: http://home.fr.inter.net/boyd/targets/last.jpg yeah, stuck on that 10m plateau. just get in there and use it. took me a while to get to grips with 'x' (i used to cheat with 's'). hitting people is a waste of time. 'x' got my group free beer for delivering on time this horrible DCE/RPC ENCINA VSAM mess. worst project i'd even seen. it was all ISO 9000 run. before i could use sam i had to write a test spec and then a test report based on the test spec. that's before the project leader told the great story how he had dinner, in paris, with his wife, in a brassiere err, no, brasserie [lit. brewery]. i nearly spat hot and sour soup everywhere in some fit of hysteria. > Also, some of the scrollbar behaviour and the split window behavior inside > the sam window are (for me at least) counter intuitive: its very hard to > work out what is a command input state and an edit state, there are'nt that > many visual clues to what is being done, the scrollbar feedback is very scampy. nah, the cerebellum picks that up pretty quickly. > The choice of font is a royal pain. i like constant width fonts, so my code lines up. but, it's a good thing that sam copes with fonts correctly. > I would also add that this mirrors my experience trying teco again a few > weeks back: weeks? been a long time since i used teco. 20+ years? i got involved in some bug fixing of a port to a unix 11/45 some years later. i think the 45 had sep I&D. > I have to deal with the 1) and 2) problems ongoing. I can't afford Boyds > retainer in quality Whiskey. JD? i have half a bottle lying around. apparently the going rate for ex-legionaires, as bodyguards, is less than yer base level sysadmin in france. that was a bit of a shock. sysadmin pays real well, but it's just as boring for an ex-code cutter as being a bodyguard is for an ex-legionaire.