[9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[boyd, rounin]

what's the longest, physical distance drawterm connection?

prizes from /dev/null

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[boyd, rounin]

> How far is it from Austin, TX to the Czech Republic (not sure where)?

i'll see your 'not sure where' and raise you 5849 klicks.

btw: it's great circles in klicks.

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[splite]

On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 08:50:21PM +0200, boyd, rounin wrote:
> what's the longest, physical distance drawterm connection?
>
> prizes from /dev/null

Let's see, my keyboard cable is 6 feet long, my arms plus fingers are about
32 inches...

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[Jim Choate]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, boyd, rounin wrote:

> what's the longest, physical distance drawterm connection?
>
> prizes from /dev/null

How far is it from Austin, TX to the Czech Republic (not sure where)?

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Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[mirtchov]

> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, boyd, rounin wrote:
> 
>> what's the longest, physical distance drawterm connection?
>>
>> prizes from /dev/null
> 
> How far is it from Austin, TX to the Czech Republic (not sure where)?
> 

two entries:

from: 	Latitude = 42º08'N	Longitude = 024º48'E
to: 		Latitude = 51°04' N	Longitude = 114°08' W

and:

from: 	Latitude = 42º08'N	Longitude = 024º48'E
to: 		Latitude = 35° 53N	Longitude = 106° 40W


i have a different trivia question -- "What's the longest running
drawterm session that actually was doing something?"

my entry is 6 days, running a graphical demo full-screen on a
freebsd box.  the machine ran out of memory at the end :)

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[Jim Choate]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca wrote:

> i have a different trivia question -- "What's the longest running
> drawterm session that actually was doing something?"

If you count testing purposes then about two weeks and it was taken down
manually and intentionally.

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Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[boyd, rounin]

> i have a different trivia question -- "What's the longest running
> drawterm session that actually was doing something?"

mine run till i get routing problems, but a week is doable.

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[boyd, rounin]

> from: Latitude = 42º08'N Longitude = 024º48'E

sounds like paris.

> to: Latitude = 51°04' N Longitude = 114°08' W

sounds like ny.

no miles or nautical miles.  great circle distances in klicks.

ahh -- Kashmir ...

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[boyd, rounin]

Kashmir:

    all will be revealed

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[boyd, rounin]

> If you count testing purposes then about two weeks and it was taken down
> manually and intentionally.

testing?  that's for sissies.  try again when you understand production grade
systems.

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[boyd, rounin]

> Production? You mean like controlling 10,000 machines of 22 architectures

oh a pissing competition.  i just love that.

zuul.pa.dec.com who had the root pasword on zuul?

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[boyd, rounin]

> i once ran one from sydney to new jersey.

cool.  i shall try sydney to new york at xmas.

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[Rob Pike]

i routinely run a drawterm for a few weeks.
i once ran one from sydney to new jersey.

-rob

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[Jim Choate]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, boyd, rounin wrote:

> > If you count testing purposes then about two weeks and it was taken down
> > manually and intentionally.
>
> testing?  that's for sissies.  try again when you understand production grade
> systems.

Production? You mean like controlling 10,000 machines of 22 architectures
on 5 continents from a single desktop?

I'm familiar with production.

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Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[Jim Choate]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Jim Choate wrote:

>
> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, boyd, rounin wrote:
>
> > > If you count testing purposes then about two weeks and it was taken down
> > > manually and intentionally.
> >
> > testing?  that's for sissies.  try again when you understand production grade
> > systems.
>
> Production? You mean like controlling 10,000 machines of 22 architectures
> on 5 continents from a single desktop?
>
> I'm familiar with production.

And it's 5 9's end to end...

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Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[boyd, rounin]

> Boyd, it amazes me how far you can stick your head up your ass.

so, i have skill.  do you have any?

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[boyd, rounin]

> -rob

think of berkeley.

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[boyd, rounin]

> anyway, since he's the 'headless horseman of the apocalypse' around here, I
> suspect by definition he can't do that.

'game of travel scrabble, death'?

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[Dan Cross]

> I'm familiar with production.

Dude, don't you do QA?  That's not the same thing.

	- Dan C.

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[boyd, rounin]

> No. Haven't done QA since I quit working on C-Beam clocks about 25 years
> ago.

voilà, QED.

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[boyd, rounin]

> >> -rob
> >
> > think of berkeley.
>
> Somebody asked what that means, we replied that it roughly translates
> to 'think of berserkeley' and one thing let to another:

nope, only rob, maltby, (maybe) brucee and i know what that means.

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[boyd, rounin]

> Hope that answers your (and others) questions.

you know the 3 phases of a Spec Op?

    SNAFU
    TARFU
    FUBAR

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[Rob Pike]

> Boyd, it amazes me how far you can stick your head up your ass.

boyd is tall and very thin.

-rob

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[Jim Choate]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, boyd, rounin wrote:

> > Production? You mean like controlling 10,000 machines of 22 architectures
>
> oh a pissing competition.  i just love that.
>
> zuul.pa.dec.com who had the root pasword on zuul?

Boyd, it amazes me how far you can stick your head up your ass.

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Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[Jim Choate]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Dan Cross wrote:

> > I'm familiar with production.
>
> Dude, don't you do QA?  That's not the same thing.

No. Haven't done QA since I quit working on C-Beam clocks about 25 years
ago.


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Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[George Michaelson]

> Boyd, it amazes me how far you can stick your head up your ass.

Faced with a choice between doing it to myself, or having it stuck up somebody
else's, maybe he's right?

(false dichotomy, I know..)

anyway, since he's the 'headless horseman of the apocalypse' around here, I
suspect by definition he can't do that.

-George

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[George Michaelson]

oh no.. bad karma..

-George

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[Dan Cross]

Jim Choate <ravage@einstein.ssz.com> writes:
> > Dude, don't you do QA?  That's not the same thing.
>
> No. Haven't done QA since I quit working on C-Beam clocks about 25 years
> ago.

So what do you do?

	- Dan C.

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[mirtchov]

>> -rob
>
> think of berkeley.

Somebody asked what that means, we replied that it roughly translates
to 'think of berserkeley' and one thing let to another:

	"9fans are a class of legendary OS heroes, who fight frenzied
	by intoxicating liquors, and naked, regardless of wounds, or
	the fact that Plan 9 is dead."

With apologies to Webster's 1913 and Longfellow:

	http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/berserk

Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[Jim Choate]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Dan Cross wrote:

> So what do you do?

Now? What it take to make $$$$, but seriously;

Well I quit IBM about a month ago and besides doing 24/365 onsite computer
repair we're doing full-time P9 development. And no I'm not going to spend
a great deal of time talking about that at this point ;)

open-forge.org

While I worked for IBM? I was a Tivoli employee doing enterprise scale
management (eg stock exchanges in NY and Chicago), in particular I was
responsible for the 24/365 trouble team across our CORBA based products.
This involved customers like Intel, DoD, Human Genome Project, etc. That
was from 97 to 2000. I quit in 2000 to do P9 stuff but they hounded me
into coming back to take care of the CORBA certification issues. I was
responsible for managing the production upgrades for all our customers
across all the various platforms and CORBA products. I basically sandboxed
upgrades of production systems and resolved problems before the customer
did. Over the the three years I also helped resolve technical questions
that had sales stalled, I had the only group that could respond fast
enough and had the tools and experience. We averaged between $85-100M in
saved sales in those three years. That job closed down last Dec. and was
moved to China. I was hoping that I wouldn't get reassigned but was given
a job at the Linux Technology Center helping develop Linux distros for
internal product apps. Can't tell you (or even other IBM employees for
that matter) more. The main problem once IBM bought Tivoli was they
prevented me from doing any programming for anyone but them (to answer the
many questions on that point that people have asked). It was so boring and
the people so unintersting I just quit.

Before that? I worked for Austin Community College developing a
Semiconductor Technology program that was meant to train technicians to
work in fabs. It was only the fourth such program to ever be certified.
I was responsible for the course development and lab design.

Before that I worked for CompuAdd doing technical support for things like
Desert Storm. I also worked in the Point of Sale group doing  real time
support of the bejillion stores that McDonalds, Pizza Hut, Sears, etc. had
using our equipment.

Before that I worked for UT Austin in their security section. Myself and
one other engineer built the larget private computer controlled security
system on the planet, at that time (about '88).

While doing that I also worked with Dr. Jack Turner [1], Dr. Karl Trappe,
and several other individuals doing a hands-on science museum. I was
responsible for the exhibit construction and management. Among other
things I helped kick start the Robot Group and the Childrens Museum here
in Austin.

[1] http://order.ph.utexas.edu

Before that I did geophysics work (magneto-tellurics) and before that I
worked on c-beam atomic clocks.

Before that (very early 80's) I worked as a student at UT Austin on a DoD
project that was part of the same NSF project that led to Sun. My group
was approaching the 'router problem' using a non-Von Neumann architecture
cpu. It was a mono-bus design using CAM w/ built in processing (ala
74181's) build entirely from 7400 chips. My job was to build the cpu's and
bus controllers (it has a multi-split bus so that you could create these
really nifty parallel isolated computers at will). It was based around the
RTL (register transfer language and not resistor transistor logic) theory.
It ran at 40MHz when everybody else was hollering about 4.77. It kicked
butt. We saturated the network at UT so the only way we could test its
full throughput was to program it to be a 64 voice synthesizer. It's
fortunate the synth player for Journey was teaching a class at the time
and one of the other students was taking the course.

Before that I worked fixing 2-way radios, repairing tv's and home
appliances, and my first job as a cook at McDonalds.

Hope that answers your (and others) questions.

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Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[Jim Choate]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca wrote:

> 	"9fans are a class of legendary OS heroes, who fight frenzied
> 	by intoxicating liquors, and naked, regardless of wounds, or
> 	the fact that Plan 9 is dead."

God you guys really do read your press releases...:(

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God exists because mathematics is consistent, and the Devil exist because we
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                          Andre Weil, in H. Eves, Mathematical Circles Adieu

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[Adrian Tritschler]

Rob Pike wrote:

> i routinely run a drawterm for a few weeks.
> i once ran one from sydney to new jersey.

I celebrated immensely when I first got one to run the 19km from home to 
work (Linux box, 33k modem, Ascend thing that sometimes answers the 
phone, assorted bits of blue wire and switch, Auth/CPU box).

> -rob
	Adrian
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Re: [9fans] drawterm sweepstakes

[Dan Cross]

Jim Choate <ravage@einstein.ssz.com> writes:
> Well I quit IBM about a month ago and besides doing 24/365 onsite computer
> repair we're doing full-time P9 development. And no I'm not going to spend
> a great deal of time talking about that at this point ;)
>
> open-forge.org

So, when can we expect to see something come of this?

> [...]
> I basically sandboxed
> upgrades of production systems and resolved problems before the customer
> did. Over the the three years I also helped resolve technical questions
> that had sales stalled, I had the only group that could respond fast
> enough and had the tools and experience.
> [...]

You'll forgive me, but this sounds an awful lot like QA to me.  It sounds
like you ran acceptance tests for customers.

	- Dan C.