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I suppose classic could be any x86 based computer system that came out abo= ut the same time as Plan 9 fourth edition. Someone once referred to Plan 9 = fourth edition as being classic, so I borrowed the notion. > it's surely fun to install plan9 on a hundred random computers and get > lucky and have everything work. but that's just not been my > experience. > > so instead i learned to be a little bit picky about the hardware > avoiding having to write drivers for everything that doesn't work. Having a used computer hardware store five minutes away which sells and buy= s old hardware makes the pain of trial and error less painful. If something= does not work, just sell it back to the store. Intel desktop motherboards = circa 2003 work very well. I recently purchased an Intel motherboard with C= PU & CPU fan (1,000 yen), video card (1000 yen), a 400 Watt PSU (300 yen)= , a CD-ROM (300 yen), and 1.5 GB of RAM (300 yen). A 1,000 yen is approxim= ately $8.69 USD for those reading this. Also, I purchased a complete, worki= ng Dell workstation (2003) for 1,000 yen that works well as a terminal. Wi= th hardware this inexpensive, my primary concern has been to ensure that I = can back up and restore data.=20 > just curious what kind of "classic" you're going for, i wasn't trying > to chastise you. IDE isn't *that* old either. we have other people > playing with pdp emulators. Yes, Dennis was kind enough to give me and another fellow working on the S= imh emulator a copy of 8th Edition UNIX labeled TAPE. Good times. > in my experience with those expensive energy prices where i live the > only thing expensive would be if you keep a lot of PCs running at the > same time 24/7. In Kanagawa prefecture (Japan) where I live, energy prices are expensive du= ring the day and slightly less expensive during the late evening hours. Wi= th three machines, firewall, and switch, running 24/7, the cost of electric= ity has been about 5,000 yen extra a month to run a Plan 9 system.=20=20 There are many reasons why I find Plan 9 enjoyable. Every time someone asks= , I seem to give yet another reason as to why. The cost of getting started,= the return on investment, the challenge, the sense of accomplishment of wr= iting a book with acme, helping others get their Plan 9 system up and runni= ng to name a few reasons. Also, I enjoy writing other Plan 9 users and aski= ng for advice and coming away with the feeling of camaraderie between long-= time Plan 9 users. I've met a lot of great people along the way. Many of m= y friends (Plan 9 users) have since passed away, but the memories of them r= emain. I suppose using Plan 9 reminds me of happier times when I use it. =E6=98=8E=E3=81=91=E3=81=BE=E3=81=97=E3=81=A6=E3=81=8A=E3=82=81=E3=81=A7=E3= =81=A8=E3=81=86=E3=81=94=E3=81=96=E3=81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=99=E3=80=82 Happy New Year, Vester "Vic" Thacker ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T5888591114a7cf34-M74996= ee2514e451da2ad37fb Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription