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* Re: [9fans] Flakey DNS server
@ 2020-10-07  6:02 Steve Simon
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Steve Simon @ 2020-10-07  6:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lucio De Re; +Cc: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs

i still use the labs dns server and have no problems, but my configuration is quite straightforward.

sorry not to be more help.

-Steve


> On 7 Oct 2020, at 6:08 am, Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It would take me a long time to get to grips with the Plan 9 DNS
> server (believe me, I've tried) and somehow my situation is getting
> more difficult as norms on the Internet are being bent by service
> provider that care for their profitability much more than for
> interoperation: I get regular failures that bring my connection to the
> Internet to a halt in unpredictable ways.
> 
> That may be due to a complicated network database, possibly with
> errors in it, but fixing that is also a mission I don't wish to get
> stuck into.
> 
> Short-cut: 9front's dns server has undergone many changes from the
> Bell Labs sources I have on my production system , while 9legacy, at a
> glance, does not report any "dns" patches; my faith in Cinap is that
> he's likely to have applied sensible fixes (assuming it's his work,
> feel free to correct me).
> 
> Chances are 9front ndb/dns binary will work OK on my system, but I
> have in fact compiled the 9front sources in the Bell Labs context and
> only a minor warning was reported.
> 
> So the big question, before I commit to something I may not be
> competent to fix: what is recommended by those in the know?
> 
> Lucio.
> 


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* Re: [9fans] Flakey DNS server
  2020-10-08  0:59       ` ori
  2020-10-08  3:48         ` Lucio De Re
@ 2020-10-08 12:48         ` Wes Kussmaul
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Wes Kussmaul @ 2020-10-08 12:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans


On 10/7/20 8:59 PM, ori@eigenstate.org wrote:
>> I'm curious as to why you would say that.
> Well, the section of the site that describes
> how to best operate a plan 9 dns server seems
> to have gone offline.

I think you have it confused with some other site.

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* Re: [9fans] Flakey DNS server
  2020-10-08  3:29   ` Lucio De Re
@ 2020-10-08 12:06     ` kvik
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: kvik @ 2020-10-08 12:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> I can tell if 9front has a fixed version of ndb/dns or not myself

Other than the 96 patches to cmd/ndb logged into 9front hg repo
there's countless others pertaining to dependencies of the ndb set
that might have solved your particular issue.

FWIW I've been running ndb/dnstcp on 9front as a primary for a few
months, seeing no issues like yours.  I know other people who do the
same.

I'd suggest trying to serve your database from a 9front system, see
if it breaks here too.

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* Re: [9fans] Flakey DNS server
  2020-10-08  3:48         ` Lucio De Re
@ 2020-10-08 10:54           ` Ethan Gardener
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ethan Gardener @ 2020-10-08 10:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, at 4:48 AM, Lucio De Re wrote:
> *** no longer on topic ***

> So, on a lighter note: for all my dislike of multi-media and how it
> has taken over the Internet, I find youtube's collection of music from
> my teens very enjoyable, in some kind of extreme nostalgia - and the
> comments from many others who mirror my sentiments also somewhat
> reassuring (I believe critics call that an "echo chamber"); that's my
> own idea of "mellowing".

I get that. Someone reminded me of Thin Lizzy the other day, and youtube of course made it very convenient to hear them again. Also, some of the best times in my life involved a terribly badly-coded server-client system with a painfully bad GUI! I'm not sure how that happened, but it did. There were some good design features in that system.

> On another, weirdly related note, I wonder if anyone else who may be
> following developments of the Go language have noted the recent shift
> from email identities that at least resemble human names and surnames
> to the most extraordinary monikers. I have been subscribed to gerrit's
> stream of change requests for quite a while and the change has really
> given me cause for concern. I do plan to stop receiving those
> notifications as soon as I can figure how to unsubscribe in bulk.
> 
> My heart goes out to Russ, Rob and Ian Taylor as well as the many
> others who need to deal with that flow of consciousness.

I wouldn't be too worried, politeness is the new punk. I had a very polite friend who wore a most extraordinary mohawk with waistcoat, pocket watch, neatly pressed trousers and patent leather shoes. Somehow, even the mohawk looked smart. Besides, this may be a return to the sensible practice of not putting your real identity online. I recently found reasons to wish I'd kept to that, although I thankfully haven't had any real problems from it.

~ eekee ~

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* Re: [9fans] Flakey DNS server
  2020-10-08  0:59       ` ori
@ 2020-10-08  3:48         ` Lucio De Re
  2020-10-08 10:54           ` Ethan Gardener
  2020-10-08 12:48         ` Wes Kussmaul
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Lucio De Re @ 2020-10-08  3:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans; +Cc: wes

*** no longer on topic ***

On 10/8/20, ori@eigenstate.org <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>> I'm curious as to why you would say that.
>
> Well, the section of the site that describes
> how to best operate a plan 9 dns server seems
> to have gone offline.
>
There's a difference between Wes making a tangential suggestion (I did
complain about how the structure of the Internet is unravelling) and
Kurt countermanding that precise suggestion.

A lot like a religious shaman trying to tell me what it means to be an
atheist. I will grant that it confirms what I believe about Kurt and
in some sense it is reassuring that Kurt remains true to his
personality. Hell, folks, so many of us have practically grown old on
this forum, are we ever going to mellow out at least a bit?

So, on a lighter note: for all my dislike of multi-media and how it
has taken over the Internet, I find youtube's collection of music from
my teens very enjoyable, in some kind of extreme nostalgia - and the
comments from many others who mirror my sentiments also somewhat
reassuring (I believe critics call that an "echo chamber"); that's my
own idea of "mellowing".

On another, weirdly related note, I wonder if anyone else who may be
following developments of the Go language have noted the recent shift
from email identities that at least resemble human names and surnames
to the most extraordinary monikers. I have been subscribed to gerrit's
stream of change requests for quite a while and the change has really
given me cause for concern. I do plan to stop receiving those
notifications as soon as I can figure how to unsubscribe in bulk.

My heart goes out to Russ, Rob and Ian Taylor as well as the many
others who need to deal with that flow of consciousness.

Lucio.

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* Re: [9fans] Flakey DNS server
  2020-10-08  0:58 ` ori
@ 2020-10-08  3:29   ` Lucio De Re
  2020-10-08 12:06     ` kvik
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Lucio De Re @ 2020-10-08  3:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ori; +Cc: 9fans

On 10/8/20, ori@eigenstate.org <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
>> So the big question, before I commit to something I may not be
>> competent to fix: what is recommended by those in the know?
>
> You've written a lot of text here, but none of it describes
> what exactly is flaky. I'd recommend describing the flakiness
> in more detail.
>
I'm sorry I didn't phrase what I wanted to know properly. I can tell
if 9front has a fixed version of ndb/dns or not myself, I know where
it is "broken". For social rather than technical reasons, I am more
interested in how compatibly the no doubt improved version of the
server has been altered.

I have at least a partial answer: (a) the updated server, compiled
under Labs (not quite legacy) runs pretty much identically - no
differences in operation that I could report and (b) the same

     Bad rrattach magic: 0x60 - previous -0x21524542

message appears in the logs and causes an assert exception. Which is
what I have been unable to fix in the past. Or determine if it's
something I can fix by tidying up a very bloated network database.

That said, thanks to all who have replied to me, it has been
informative and encouraging.

Lucio.

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* Re: [9fans] Flakey DNS server
  2020-10-08  0:45     ` Wes Kussmaul
@ 2020-10-08  0:59       ` ori
  2020-10-08  3:48         ` Lucio De Re
  2020-10-08 12:48         ` Wes Kussmaul
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: ori @ 2020-10-08  0:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: wes, 9fans

> I'm curious as to why you would say that.

Well, the section of the site that describes
how to best operate a plan 9 dns server seems
to have gone offline.


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* Re: [9fans] Flakey DNS server
  2020-10-07  4:08 Lucio De Re
  2020-10-07 13:15 ` [9fans] " Wes Kussmaul
@ 2020-10-08  0:58 ` ori
  2020-10-08  3:29   ` Lucio De Re
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: ori @ 2020-10-08  0:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: lucio.dere, 9fans

> So the big question, before I commit to something I may not be
> competent to fix: what is recommended by those in the know?

You've written a lot of text here, but none of it describes
what exactly is flaky. I'd recommend describing the flakiness
in more detail.

There's no way of telling if we fixed what ails your setup if
you don't tell us what the issues are.


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* Re: [9fans] Flakey DNS server
  2020-10-07 16:14   ` Kurt H Maier
@ 2020-10-08  0:45     ` Wes Kussmaul
  2020-10-08  0:59       ` ori
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Wes Kussmaul @ 2020-10-08  0:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans


On 10/7/20 12:14 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 09:15:01AM -0400, Wes Kussmaul wrote:
>> I suggest taking a look at https://www.osmio.ch/
>>
> I suggest not looking at https://www.osmio.ch/ instead.
>
> khm

I'm curious as to why you would say that.

Wes


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* Re: [9fans] Flakey DNS server
  2020-10-07 13:15 ` [9fans] " Wes Kussmaul
@ 2020-10-07 16:14   ` Kurt H Maier
  2020-10-08  0:45     ` Wes Kussmaul
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Kurt H Maier @ 2020-10-07 16:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 09:15:01AM -0400, Wes Kussmaul wrote:
> 
> I suggest taking a look at https://www.osmio.ch/
> 

I suggest not looking at https://www.osmio.ch/ instead.

khm

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* Re: [9fans] Flakey DNS server
  2020-10-07  4:08 Lucio De Re
@ 2020-10-07 13:15 ` Wes Kussmaul
  2020-10-07 16:14   ` Kurt H Maier
  2020-10-08  0:58 ` ori
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Wes Kussmaul @ 2020-10-07 13:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans


On 10/7/20 12:08 AM, Lucio De Re wrote:
> my situation is getting
> more difficult as norms on the Internet are being bent by service
> provider that care for their profitability much more than for
> interoperation

I suggest taking a look at https://www.osmio.ch/

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