* [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows @ 2004-04-21 2:27 andrey mirtchovski 2004-04-21 2:58 ` Rob Pike ` (5 more replies) 0 siblings, 6 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2004-04-21 2:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans soliciting opinion -- how many of you would like to have the ability to search through the text in a rio terminal? i find the need mostly when browsing through large man pages. would a 'look' option in the middle-button menu make it too crowded? andrey ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 2:27 [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows andrey mirtchovski @ 2004-04-21 2:58 ` Rob Pike 2004-04-21 3:57 ` andrey mirtchovski 2004-04-21 3:37 ` Nick Jamieson ` (4 subsequent siblings) 5 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Rob Pike @ 2004-04-21 2:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > would a 'look' option in the middle-button menu make it too crowded? i think so. -rob ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 2:58 ` Rob Pike @ 2004-04-21 3:57 ` andrey mirtchovski 2004-04-21 3:15 ` Roman Shaposhnick 2004-04-21 12:44 ` boyd, rounin 0 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2004-04-21 3:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Rob Pike wrote: > > would a 'look' option in the middle-button menu make it too crowded? > > i think so. > > -rob > how about doing it via the right mouse button? this will remove the 'New...' menu when right clicking in a terminal, and i admit myself always searching for a empty 'grey' area to click on when i want to open a new terminal, but it's a more drastical change so i omitted it originally... andrey ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 3:57 ` andrey mirtchovski @ 2004-04-21 3:15 ` Roman Shaposhnick 2004-04-21 4:34 ` andrey mirtchovski ` (3 more replies) 2004-04-21 12:44 ` boyd, rounin 1 sibling, 4 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Roman Shaposhnick @ 2004-04-21 3:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 09:57:32PM -0600, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Rob Pike wrote: > > > > would a 'look' option in the middle-button menu make it too crowded? > > > > i think so. > > > > -rob > > > > how about doing it via the right mouse button? this will remove the > 'New...' menu when right clicking in a terminal, and i admit myself always > searching for a empty 'grey' area to click on when i want to open a new > terminal, but it's a more drastical change so i omitted it originally... you clearly need one of them keys-on-wheels devices. Seriously, though, has someone *productively* used "mouses" with more than 3 buttons ? Thanks, Roman. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 3:15 ` Roman Shaposhnick @ 2004-04-21 4:34 ` andrey mirtchovski 2004-04-21 4:36 ` Ronald G. Minnich ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2004-04-21 4:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Roman Shaposhnick wrote: > you clearly need one of them keys-on-wheels devices. Seriously, though, > has someone *productively* used "mouses" with more than 3 buttons ? > I'm not really considering taking out the "New|Resize|etc"... Note that sam already has 'look' in the middle button menu, so we won't be setting a precedent. The text window has 6 entries in the menu, same as a terminal, but the command window has 7 -- cut, paste, snarf, plumb, look, <rio>, send... andrey ps: drastic? radical? nah, drastical! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 3:15 ` Roman Shaposhnick 2004-04-21 4:34 ` andrey mirtchovski @ 2004-04-21 4:36 ` Ronald G. Minnich 2004-04-21 9:37 ` Charles Forsyth 2004-04-21 12:54 ` boyd, rounin 3 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Ronald G. Minnich @ 2004-04-21 4:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Roman Shaposhnick wrote: > you clearly need one of them keys-on-wheels devices. Seriously, though, > has someone *productively* used "mouses" with more than 3 buttons ? depends on productively and what it means. But my 85-year-old dad loves his 5-button mouse. To each his own. ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 3:15 ` Roman Shaposhnick 2004-04-21 4:34 ` andrey mirtchovski 2004-04-21 4:36 ` Ronald G. Minnich @ 2004-04-21 9:37 ` Charles Forsyth 2004-04-21 12:54 ` boyd, rounin 3 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Charles Forsyth @ 2004-04-21 9:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >> you clearly need one of them keys-on-wheels devices. Seriously, though, >> has someone *productively* used "mouses" with more than 3 buttons ? probably: but i'd suppose that as the number of buttons increases, it's even more important to have the actions be consistent across the whole interface, so you have no need to think about it. as another aside, buxton et al had one scheme that used two devices, one in each hand, the non-dominant hand positioning a partly-transparent control, and the dominant hand operating on the things beneath the control. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 3:15 ` Roman Shaposhnick ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2004-04-21 9:37 ` Charles Forsyth @ 2004-04-21 12:54 ` boyd, rounin 3 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: boyd, rounin @ 2004-04-21 12:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > you clearly need one of them keys-on-wheels devices. Seriously, though, > has someone *productively* used "mouses" with more than 3 buttons ? nah, a morse key. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 3:57 ` andrey mirtchovski 2004-04-21 3:15 ` Roman Shaposhnick @ 2004-04-21 12:44 ` boyd, rounin 1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: boyd, rounin @ 2004-04-21 12:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > how about doing it via the right mouse button? this will remove the > 'New...' menu when right clicking in a terminal, ... oh no. that violates practice/principles that date from at least 1984: - button 1 for selection - button 2 for in window operations - button 3 for window manipulation a consistent interface is a good thing. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 2:27 [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows andrey mirtchovski 2004-04-21 2:58 ` Rob Pike @ 2004-04-21 3:37 ` Nick Jamieson 2004-04-21 5:59 ` lucio ` (3 subsequent siblings) 5 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Nick Jamieson @ 2004-04-21 3:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > i find the need mostly when browsing through large man pages. #!/bin/rc man $* >[2=1] | acme -c 1 '#d/0' Nick ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 2:27 [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows andrey mirtchovski 2004-04-21 2:58 ` Rob Pike 2004-04-21 3:37 ` Nick Jamieson @ 2004-04-21 5:59 ` lucio 2004-04-21 8:45 ` a ` (2 subsequent siblings) 5 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: lucio @ 2004-04-21 5:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > soliciting opinion -- how many of you would like to have the ability > to search through the text in a rio terminal? I have certainly wanted to, frequently. But it seems to me to be more appropriate to solicit opinion on how to cause acme, rio and sam to converge into a single, most likely customisable, desktop management tool. Not that I expect a single solution, but I'm sure a few productive souls would run off with some of the ideas and return with exciting new concepts. Just my 2 cents' worth. Plan 9 seems to encourage thinking outside even its own box. ++L ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 2:27 [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows andrey mirtchovski ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2004-04-21 5:59 ` lucio @ 2004-04-21 8:45 ` a 2004-04-22 7:14 ` Fco.J.Ballesteros 2004-04-21 8:48 ` matt 2004-04-21 12:05 ` boyd, rounin 5 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: a @ 2004-04-21 8:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans i'd love having Look in rio. i've made two or three half-hearted passes at doing it myself over the last few years, but never finished any of them. my solution to it making the button 2 menu too croweded was to remove the cut/snarf/paste options in favor of chording. in one of my passes at Look, i had the menu changed (-cut/snarf/past, +non-functional look) and i didn't look for the missing options once. but i realize that's a solution many here would hate. maybe options for including sets of features? the addition of plumb was, i think, quite noticable. ア ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 8:45 ` a @ 2004-04-22 7:14 ` Fco.J.Ballesteros 2004-04-22 8:56 ` lucio 2004-04-23 8:55 ` Douglas A. Gwyn 0 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Fco.J.Ballesteros @ 2004-04-22 7:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 228 bytes --] Yep. Snarf, Cut, Paste is mostly wasted space in the menu. We always have a hard time if you don't a have a 3 button mouse, and if you have one, those entries give you nothing. I'd keep just plumb send look scroll [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 2231 bytes --] From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 04:45:26 -0400 Message-ID: <12c63e4238729e9b41a0d889d51485c9@9srv.net> i'd love having Look in rio. i've made two or three half-hearted passes at doing it myself over the last few years, but never finished any of them. my solution to it making the button 2 menu too croweded was to remove the cut/snarf/paste options in favor of chording. in one of my passes at Look, i had the menu changed (-cut/snarf/past, +non-functional look) and i didn't look for the missing options once. but i realize that's a solution many here would hate. maybe options for including sets of features? the addition of plumb was, i think, quite noticable. ア ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-22 7:14 ` Fco.J.Ballesteros @ 2004-04-22 8:56 ` lucio 2004-04-23 8:55 ` Douglas A. Gwyn 1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: lucio @ 2004-04-22 8:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Yep. Snarf, Cut, Paste is mostly wasted space in the > menu. We always have a hard time if you don't a have > a 3 button mouse, and if you have one, those entries > give you nothing. Maybe I'm clumsy, but I use Snarf from the menu in preference to Cut+Paste if for no other reason than the cursor moves when I press buttons, making my life difficult. Cut and Paste I can do without, on the other hand. ++L ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-22 7:14 ` Fco.J.Ballesteros 2004-04-22 8:56 ` lucio @ 2004-04-23 8:55 ` Douglas A. Gwyn 2004-04-23 9:02 ` boyd, rounin 1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Douglas A. Gwyn @ 2004-04-23 8:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > Yep. Snarf, Cut, Paste is mostly wasted space in the > menu. We always have a hard time if you don't a have > a 3 button mouse, and if you have one, those entries > give you nothing. Having used many different window systems that provide those functions in different ways, I have to disagree. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-23 8:55 ` Douglas A. Gwyn @ 2004-04-23 9:02 ` boyd, rounin 0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: boyd, rounin @ 2004-04-23 9:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Having used many different window systems that provide > those functions in different ways, I have to disagree. yup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 2:27 [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows andrey mirtchovski ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2004-04-21 8:45 ` a @ 2004-04-21 8:48 ` matt 2004-04-21 13:04 ` boyd, rounin 2004-04-21 12:05 ` boyd, rounin 5 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: matt @ 2004-04-21 8:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > how many of you would like to have the ability to search through the text in a rio terminal? I have oft wanted that, reproducing the output in acme so I can search it > would a 'look' option in the middle-button menu make it too crowded? you can get rid of cut, paste & snarf for me - I use chording :) putting it on button 2 makes it inconsistent with 3 in Acme, I already get tripped up enough pressing escape in the shell to delete and having my activity screwed up when RAW goes off (usually when writing an email, luckily it doesn't get sent but you do have to kill the window and start again) If one deletes a window with 3, and then middle clicks on another window to search, instinctively pressing 3 to repeat the search will kill that window as delete has become the default action for 3 thats that :) m ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 8:48 ` matt @ 2004-04-21 13:04 ` boyd, rounin 2004-04-21 16:59 ` a 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: boyd, rounin @ 2004-04-21 13:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > you can get rid of cut, paste & snarf for me - I use chording :) try and chord on a 2 button mousepad. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 13:04 ` boyd, rounin @ 2004-04-21 16:59 ` a 0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: a @ 2004-04-21 16:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8", Size: 153 bytes --] // try and chord on a 2 button mousepad. that's easy. my mousepad has 0 buttons. i've even managed to chord with no mousepad at all! ;-) 닢 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 2:27 [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows andrey mirtchovski ` (4 preceding siblings ...) 2004-04-21 8:48 ` matt @ 2004-04-21 12:05 ` boyd, rounin 2004-04-21 15:57 ` rog 5 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: boyd, rounin @ 2004-04-21 12:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > would a 'look' option in the middle-button menu make it too crowded? i suggested this to rob in 1992-1993 when 9term came out but he said it would make the button 2 menu too long. i added it to 9term anyway and it was very useful; looking for 'close' strings in log files was one use. perhaps you could do some hack with the plumber? but it would be a hack and would not be general. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 12:05 ` boyd, rounin @ 2004-04-21 15:57 ` rog 2004-04-21 16:05 ` matt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: rog @ 2004-04-21 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > i suggested this to rob in 1992-1993 when 9term came out but > he said it would make the button 2 menu too long. i added it > to 9term anyway and it was very useful; looking for 'close' > strings in log files was one use. what i tend to do in these circumstances is select all the text in the rio window, click New in acme and paste it in there. (that brings me to the thing i find most annoying in rio - i'll drag down to the end of the window, chord cut and paste to snarf it all... and it executes the entire snarf buffer! (potentially really nasty, but mitigated by dumpfs...) i started to have a look at fixing this once, but got bogged down and haven't mustered the energy again.) acme Edit in temporary windows for playing with log files is a wonderful thing. (actually, it's great in other ways too. for example, i tend to keep a large mailbox, and in a /mail/fs/mbox/ window, i can do: Edit ,x/^[0-9].*\n( .*\n)*/g/\[9fans]/d to restrict my view to non-9fans messages only.) acme temporary, unlabeled, windows are great. it's a pity they're not archived when acme is Dumped. to add to the mouse button thing: if i had an extra mouse button, i think i'd use it as a "search backwards" button in acme. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 15:57 ` rog @ 2004-04-21 16:05 ` matt 2004-04-21 16:17 ` Russ Cox 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: matt @ 2004-04-21 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans perhaps one solution would be rio keeping shell windows as a file server like acme m ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 16:05 ` matt @ 2004-04-21 16:17 ` Russ Cox 2004-04-21 16:31 ` matt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Russ Cox @ 2004-04-21 16:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > perhaps one solution would be rio keeping shell windows as a file server like acme you mean like it already does in /dev/text? russ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 16:17 ` Russ Cox @ 2004-04-21 16:31 ` matt 2004-04-21 16:36 ` C H Forsyth 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: matt @ 2004-04-21 16:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans lol, i hadn't noticed that is there a way to access *all* of the /dev/texts rio is serving as 'grep $term /dev/text' starts to get a bit recursive :) but thanks. I have read the manuals at least 3 times cover to cover, seems I can never remember enough of it :) m ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 16:31 ` matt @ 2004-04-21 16:36 ` C H Forsyth 2004-04-21 16:35 ` matt 2004-04-21 16:44 ` C H Forsyth 0 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: C H Forsyth @ 2004-04-21 16:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 359 bytes --] % ls -l /dev/wsys/*/text --r-------- M 86 forsyth forsyth 0 Apr 21 17:36 /dev/wsys/1/text --r-------- M 86 forsyth forsyth 0 Apr 21 17:36 /dev/wsys/2/text --r-------- M 86 forsyth forsyth 0 Apr 21 17:36 /dev/wsys/21/text --r-------- M 86 forsyth forsyth 0 Apr 21 17:36 /dev/wsys/28/text --r-------- M 86 forsyth forsyth 0 Apr 21 17:36 /dev/wsys/29/text [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 1931 bytes --] From: matt@proweb.co.uk To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:31:07 +0100 Message-ID: <48739712dff6a5cc9c82f7c50304d07e@juice.thebigchoice.com> lol, i hadn't noticed that is there a way to access *all* of the /dev/texts rio is serving as 'grep $term /dev/text' starts to get a bit recursive :) but thanks. I have read the manuals at least 3 times cover to cover, seems I can never remember enough of it :) m ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 16:36 ` C H Forsyth @ 2004-04-21 16:35 ` matt 2004-04-21 16:37 ` boyd, rounin 2004-04-21 16:44 ` C H Forsyth 1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: matt @ 2004-04-21 16:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans thanks, there we go then, who needs look on the mouse :) m ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 16:35 ` matt @ 2004-04-21 16:37 ` boyd, rounin 0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: boyd, rounin @ 2004-04-21 16:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > thanks, there we go then, who needs look on the mouse :) not when you could put it on a function key. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] searching in rio terminal windows 2004-04-21 16:36 ` C H Forsyth 2004-04-21 16:35 ` matt @ 2004-04-21 16:44 ` C H Forsyth 1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: C H Forsyth @ 2004-04-21 16:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans try du /dev/wsys much more fun. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
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