From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <0ab301c3837f$0acf0310$6400a8c0@dell01> From: "Wes Kussmaul" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] ISP filtering - update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:06:55 -0400 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4af4596a-eacc-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 Jim Choate: > That's because 99.9% of you don't understand the problem. You need to be > using the existing harassment and trespass laws and careful choice of case > to set precedent. > > Just think of somebody ringing your doorbell over and over... ...in which case you look out the window to get a good look at the perpetrator, call the cops and give a reliable description, perhaps including a car description, license plate, etc. Either that or you open the door and punch his lights out. Where do we get reliable ID information from a mail header? The bell is being rung by an innocent neighbor turned into a zombie by the real, unknown perpetrator. Boyd had the right idea (not the current one (though that one's good too)) but... let's see if I can find it... quoted it in my book... The final solution is to either beef up IP (bad idea) or replace it with a mutually authenticaticated, encrypted protocol. When you have identity you can resort to your nice, civilized due process. Until then it's terror, plain and simple. If applying harrassment and trespass laws is effective against terror then our other big problem is solved, just serve criminal complaints and lawsuits against bin Laden et al. Wes Kussmaul