From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Benjamin Huntsman To: "9fans@9fans.net" <9fans@9fans.net> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 03:23:10 +0000 Message-ID: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F7089C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [9fans] 3e Topicbox-Message-UUID: 165fc494-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Because I'm a bit of a history buff too, and I'm looking at the Nemo book..= . Does anyone remember what the last and final date of the 3rd Edition was, a= nd does anyone have the plan9.9gz and floppies around anymore? I was also trying to remember, did anyone get it working under VMware, or w= as that around the time of early 4th Edition? Anyway, pardon the odd question and thanks in advance! -Ben From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <0b5803645de33989db2c9af05dc07bf1@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 09:18:20 +0000 To: 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F7089C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] 3e Topicbox-Message-UUID: 16640540-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I have a set of floppies somwhere but I don't have a floppy drive at home, if no one gets there first I and Charles doesn't mind I will put the images on sources on Monday. FYI I put some old stuff, though none of it 3rd ed, in /n/sources/steve/historic/* -Steve From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0b5803645de33989db2c9af05dc07bf1@quintile.net> References: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F7089C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx> <0b5803645de33989db2c9af05dc07bf1@quintile.net> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 10:27:40 +0000 Message-ID: From: Charles Forsyth To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d041826c80477ae04d55c3ee8 Subject: Re: [9fans] 3e Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1667deae-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --f46d041826c80477ae04d55c3ee8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 10 February 2013 09:18, Steve Simon wrote: > Charles doesn't mind I will it's nothing to do with me: it's bell labs' copyright. --f46d041826c80477ae04d55c3ee8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

On 10 February 2013 09:18, Steve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote:
Charles doesn't mind I will

it's nothing to do with me: it's bell labs' copyright.

--f46d041826c80477ae04d55c3ee8-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 References: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F7089C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx> <0b5803645de33989db2c9af05dc07bf1@quintile.net> From: steve Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-DA5A6D10-6F17-44EE-B8F2-AE2147F36AF5 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8F254288-B1F2-4CB2-A329-A195B74B9CDA@quintile.net> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 11:05:28 +0000 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [9fans] 3e Topicbox-Message-UUID: 166bd3f6-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --Apple-Mail-DA5A6D10-6F17-44EE-B8F2-AE2147F36AF5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok, i was concerned that there might be issues of "mechanical copyright" as i bought it from you (VN) - though i don't really understand such laws. i will copy the disks if i can find a floppy drive. - Steve On 10 Feb 2013, at 10:27, Charles Forsyth wrote: > > On 10 February 2013 09:18, Steve Simon wrote: >> Charles doesn't mind I will > > it's nothing to do with me: it's bell labs' copyright. > --Apple-Mail-DA5A6D10-6F17-44EE-B8F2-AE2147F36AF5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
ok,

i was concerned that there might be issues of "mechanical copyright"
as i bought it from you (VN) - though i don't really understand such laws.

i will copy the disks if i can find a floppy drive.

- Steve

On 10 Feb 2013, at 10:27, Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote:


On 10 February 2013 09:18, Steve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote:
Charles doesn't mind I will

it's nothing to do with me: it's bell labs' copyright.

--Apple-Mail-DA5A6D10-6F17-44EE-B8F2-AE2147F36AF5-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 12:23:43 +0100 From: David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com> To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <20130210122343.67895b38@zinc.9fans.fr> In-Reply-To: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F7089C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx> References: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F7089C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] 3e Topicbox-Message-UUID: 167bfd8a-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I have a copy of the Third Edition Plan 9 CD and floppy images. It is dated from 2000-06-07. I may distribute them if the license permit it. -- David du Colombier From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Benjamin Huntsman To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:53:05 +0000 Message-ID: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F70E0C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx> References: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F7089C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx>, <20130210122343.67895b38@zinc.9fans.fr> In-Reply-To: <20130210122343.67895b38@zinc.9fans.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [9fans] 3e Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1683cb46-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Not sure why the licensing question came up. It was free back then, so I d= on't know why it wouldn't be now, unless Bell Labs revoked the previous lic= ense. More than anything I was trying to figure out the last release date. I've = got a plan9.9gz file dated 20010327, and some odd patch files, the largest = of which is 10140327.9gz dated Oct14, but I'm not sure if that's October 20= 00 or October 2001. Was hoping to hear if anyone had anything newer. Anyw= ay, no worries... just fact-finding. Many thanks!! -Ben From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3d7d1df6f5698486a9836c23409ca57e@quintile.net> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 23:44:43 +0000 To: 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F70E0C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] 3e Topicbox-Message-UUID: 168791ae-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Not sure why the licensing question came up. My fault, I was just a little unsure about copying the distribution floppies that VN had produced, I thought that checking with Charles would be polite. It turns out its all academic as I can only find the 2nd ed floppies, the 3rd ed one(s) if I ever had any have disappeared. Sorry for the noise. -Steve From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3d7d1df6f5698486a9836c23409ca57e@quintile.net> References: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F70E0C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx> <3d7d1df6f5698486a9836c23409ca57e@quintile.net> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 23:54:24 +0000 Message-ID: From: Charles Forsyth To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9cc9c561ae84604d567839b Subject: Re: [9fans] 3e Topicbox-Message-UUID: 168b659a-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --14dae9cc9c561ae84604d567839b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 10 February 2013 23:44, Steve Simon wrote: > My fault, I was just a little unsure about copying the > distribution floppies that VN had produced, > I think we only ever did CDs for 3rd. 2nd had floppies, but nothing to do with VN. --14dae9cc9c561ae84604d567839b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

On 10 February 2013 23:44, Steve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote:
My fault, I was just a little unsure about copying the
distribution floppies that VN had produced,

I think we only ever did CDs for 3rd.
2nd had floppies, but nothing to do with VN.
--14dae9cc9c561ae84604d567839b-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F70E0C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx> <3d7d1df6f5698486a9836c23409ca57e@quintile.net> From: Venkatesh Srinivas Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:48:55 -0800 Message-ID: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] 3e Topicbox-Message-UUID: 169146b8-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 How was 3E different from 2E and from 4E? -- vs; From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F70E0C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx> <3d7d1df6f5698486a9836c23409ca57e@quintile.net> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:10:33 -0700 Message-ID: From: andrey mirtchovski To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [9fans] 3e Topicbox-Message-UUID: 169a9718-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > How was 3E different from 2E and from 4E? roughly (and other's view may differ): 2e + auth + 9p2k = 3e 3e + venti + fossil = 4e i think factotum and secstore are in the second equation too. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 23:13:35 -0500 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <4142ab41426ced49929ceda6fc00089d@brasstown.quanstro.net> In-Reply-To: References: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F70E0C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx> <3d7d1df6f5698486a9836c23409ca57e@quintile.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] 3e Topicbox-Message-UUID: 16a2c67c-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > 3e + venti + fossil = 4e what about 9p2000? - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F70E0C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx> <3d7d1df6f5698486a9836c23409ca57e@quintile.net> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:29:22 -0800 Message-ID: From: Skip Tavakkolian To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] 3e Topicbox-Message-UUID: 16ab9d92-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 i've not checked the 3e CD i have, but i'm pretty sure 9p2k was released with 4e (or just before). 2e to 3e also included a rewrite of acme from original alef to c; and alef was left behind. btw, i see 6c in 2nd ed, but it is not mentioned in the compiler paper; was that the i960? -Skip On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 8:10 PM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: >> How was 3E different from 2E and from 4E? > > roughly (and other's view may differ): > > 2e + auth + 9p2k = 3e > > 3e + venti + fossil = 4e > > i think factotum and secstore are in the second equation too. > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 00:36:18 -0500 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F70E0C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx> <3d7d1df6f5698486a9836c23409ca57e@quintile.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] 3e Topicbox-Message-UUID: 16b31a9a-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Mon Feb 11 00:29:46 EST 2013, skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com wrote: > i've not checked the 3e CD i have, but i'm pretty sure 9p2k was > released with 4e (or just before). > > 2e to 3e also included a rewrite of acme from original alef to c; and > alef was left behind. > > btw, i see 6c in 2nd ed, but it is not mentioned in the compiler > paper; was that the i960? i960, according to 2c(1). - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 06:47:08 +0100 From: David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com> To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <20130211064708.4676e6e1@zinc.9fans.fr> In-Reply-To: References: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F70E0C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx> <3d7d1df6f5698486a9836c23409ca57e@quintile.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] 3e Topicbox-Message-UUID: 16d45aac-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > How was 3E different from 2E and from 4E? The different prefaces are a good summary: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man/preface.html http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man/preface3.html http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man/preface4.html > 2e + auth + 9p2k = 3e 9P2000 was part of the Fourth Edition. > 3e + venti + fossil = 4e Fossil came out on January 2003, while the Fourth Edition was released on April 2002. -- David du Colombier From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 In-Reply-To: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F70E0C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx> References: <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F7089C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx>, <20130210122343.67895b38@zinc.9fans.fr> <5782C16A7C920E469B74E11B5608B8E733F70E0C@Kriegler.ntdom.cupdx> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: M.Stein@gom.com Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:53:48 +0100 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0030DF0CC1257B0F_=" Subject: Re: [9fans] 3e Topicbox-Message-UUID: 170ed588-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0030DF0CC1257B0F_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have the files 03270425a.9gz, 06170729.9gz, 07291014.9gz and 10140327.9gz and beside this a file named 'versions', I'm not sure, where it comes from: 03270425a.9gz update 988250913 updating 985745432 03270507.9gz update 989254626 updating 985745432 03270526.9gz update 991073352 updating 985745432 03270605.9gz update 991764560 updating 985745432 03270614.9gz 03270910.9gz update 1000124880 updating 985745432 03271003.9gz update 1002125437 updating 985745432 03271204.9gz update 1007472771 updating 985745432 06070617.9gz full update 961264382 updating 960391385 06170729.9gz full update 964893367 updating 961264382 07291014.9gz full update 971556349 updating 961264382 10140327.9gz full update 985745432 updating 971556349 10141017.9gz full update 971810713 updating 971556349 10141111.9gz update 973992256 updating 971556349 10141129.9gz So following this, 03271204 should be the last update, dated Tue Dec 4 14:32:51 2001 (taken from the stamp 1007472771) I hope, this mail helps more, than it confuses :-) If You have some other patch files than me, I'm interested in - I don't have find it at any other place till now... From: Benjamin Huntsman To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>, Date: 10.02.2013 21:53 Subject: Re: [9fans] 3e Sent by: 9fans-bounces@9fans.net Not sure why the licensing question came up. It was free back then, so I don't know why it wouldn't be now, unless Bell Labs revoked the previous license. More than anything I was trying to figure out the last release date. I've got a plan9.9gz file dated 20010327, and some odd patch files, the largest of which is 10140327.9gz dated Oct14, but I'm not sure if that's October 2000 or October 2001. Was hoping to hear if anyone had anything newer. Anyway, no worries... just fact-finding. Many thanks!! -Ben --=_alternative 0030DF0CC1257B0F_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" I have the files 03270425a.9gz, 06170729.9gz, 07291014.9gz and 10140327.9gz
and beside this a file named 'versions', I'm not sure, where it comes from:

03270425a.9gz  update 988250913 updating 985745432
03270507.9gz  update 989254626 updating 985745432
03270526.9gz  update 991073352 updating 985745432
03270605.9gz  update 991764560 updating 985745432
03270614.9gz
03270910.9gz  update 1000124880 updating 985745432
03271003.9gz  update 1002125437 updating 985745432
03271204.9gz  update 1007472771 updating 985745432
06070617.9gz  full update 961264382 updating 960391385
06170729.9gz  full update 964893367 updating 961264382
07291014.9gz  full update 971556349 updating 961264382
10140327.9gz  full update 985745432 updating 971556349
10141017.9gz  full update 971810713 updating 971556349
10141111.9gz  update 973992256 updating 971556349
10141129.9gz

So following this, 03271204 should be the last update, dated

Tue Dec 4 14:32:51 2001 (taken from the stamp 1007472771)

I hope, this mail helps more, than it confuses :-)

If  You have some other patch files than me, I'm interested in -
I don't have find it at any other place till now...



From:        Benjamin Huntsman <BHuntsman@mail2.cu-portland.edu>
To:        Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>,
Date:        10.02.2013 21:53
Subject:        Re: [9fans] 3e
Sent by:        9fans-bounces@9fans.net




Not sure why the licensing question came up.  It was free back then, so I don't know why it wouldn't be now, unless Bell Labs revoked the previous license.

More than anything I was trying to figure out the last release date.  I've got a plan9.9gz file dated 20010327, and some odd patch files, the largest of which is 10140327.9gz dated Oct14, but I'm not sure if that's October 2000 or October 2001.  Was hoping to hear if anyone had anything newer.  Anyway, no worries... just fact-finding.

Many thanks!!

-Ben


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