From: Geoff Collyer <geoff@collyer.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Multi-stack mail problem.
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 02:53:41 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0c5dff05fa1c8b14196fcb9e3daf0cd7@collyer.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030930113724.H8268@cackle.proxima.alt.za>
One view is that ATM is the less-interesting parts of Datakit (small
cells, but no in-network authentication nor name service). In a dial
string like `dk!nj/astro/helix!smtp', one handed `nj/astro/helix' to
one's Datakit interface (I forget how the service was passed); there
was none of this ARP and insecure DNS rubbish.
PPP is a classic of second-system effect (see Brooks). SLIP was
simple but didn't provide for transporting DECnet frames nor BISYNC
nor OSI nor lots of other now-dead or at least not-very-well protocols
(`i feel happy, i feel happy'). So rather than just adding support
for ICMP or whatever was missing but actually desirable, and just
clubbing the other protocols over the head and throwing their
carcasses on the wagon, the standards people got involved,
and decided that PPP needed oodles of negotiation and Assinine One (ASN.1)
obfuscation and other needless complexity.
(The negotiation isn't even guaranteed to terminate, but details, details.)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-09-30 9:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-09-30 0:48 Dan Cross
2003-09-30 1:12 ` David Presotto
2003-09-30 8:00 ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-30 8:20 ` Charles Forsyth
2003-09-30 8:41 ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-30 8:54 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-30 9:34 ` C H Forsyth
2003-09-30 8:42 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-30 8:52 ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-30 9:16 ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2003-09-30 9:27 ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-30 9:38 ` C H Forsyth
2003-09-30 9:39 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-09-30 9:41 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-09-30 12:07 ` C H Forsyth
2003-09-30 17:09 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-30 17:18 ` ron minnich
2003-09-30 17:45 ` C H Forsyth
2003-09-30 9:48 ` Bruce Ellis
2003-09-30 9:55 ` C H Forsyth
2003-09-30 11:51 ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-30 17:07 ` boyd, rounin
2003-10-01 8:32 ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2003-09-30 9:41 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-09-30 9:16 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-30 9:37 ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-30 9:52 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-30 9:53 ` Geoff Collyer [this message]
2003-09-30 10:11 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-30 10:13 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-30 11:51 ` C H Forsyth
2003-09-30 17:00 ` boyd, rounin
2003-10-01 0:09 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-10-01 0:23 ` Charles Forsyth
2003-09-30 13:29 David Presotto
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